Move Ceiling Light Fixture

[learning101]

SCOPE
Customer wants to move existing ceiling light fixture roughly 4 feet over from the existing location to be directly over the kitchen island.

PROBLEM
Customer does not want to have the existing fixture box on the ceiling once a new box is installed over the island. Obviously, the wiring is going to be roughly 4 feet short to the new box. Because the customer does not want the existing box to remain in the ceiling, there's no place to splice the romex to get it over to the new box.

PROPOSED SOLUTION
Cut a number of access holes in the ceiling to trace the wires back from the existing box to an origin of splicing in an accessible box or at another fixture/switch. Then run a new 12-3 romex from an existing splicing point.


Is there another solution recommended opposed to what I've recommended?

Photos of ceiling and existing light fixture can be seen here---->Kitchen Island Light Fixture

 

[Dennis Alwon]

So they want to get rid of the swag? They already have a blank in the ceiling.

I don't like these but as far as I know they are compliant.

 

[learning101]

So they want to get rid of the swag? They already have a blank in the ceiling.

I don't like these but as far as I know they are compliant.

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Thank you!

 

[readydave8]

Jct box hid by smoke alarm, smoke alarm not wired since is in kitchen

 

[4x4dually]

Jct box hid by smoke alarm, smoke alarm not wired since is in kitchen

I thought the same thing yesterday, but if they don't want a blank panel, I doubt they will want a smoke detector up there even if it's not wired.

 

[tthh]

So they want to get rid of the swag? They already have a blank in the ceiling.

I don't like these but as far as I know they are compliant.

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I see no problem using this...especially for a branch to one light fixture...probably LED at that.

 

[readydave8]

I thought the same thing yesterday, but if they don't want a blank panel, I doubt they will want a smoke detector up there even if it's not wired.

Tell them it's required, don't tell them it's not wired

 

[retirede]

Tell them it's required, don't tell them it's not wired

Better also tell them it doesn’t need to be tested.

 

[acin]

It has alot to do with witch direction the ceiling joists are going

 

[retirede]

It has alot to do with witch direction the ceiling joists are going

 

[acin]

I aint had much book lernin

 

[titan1021]

So they want to get rid of the swag? They already have a blank in the ceiling.

I don't like these but as far as I know they are compliant.

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Best solution I was using these frequently for years and their great. They are just hard to come by now, normally cost around $8 each since the pandemic about $24 each if you can find them.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

So they want to get rid of the swag? They already have a blank in the ceiling.

I don't like these but as far as I know they are compliant.

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If pushed:
I'd bury a splice in a box before I used on of those.
But on the other hand there won't be any real load on that junction if it's just a light fixture.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

I'll tell the customer sometimes."I'm an electrician not a magician"

 

[mspicka]

Take a single gang nail-on and a blank plate bury it above the ceiling?

 

[LarryFine]

Given the two options, I'd take the Tyco type of splicing device over the buried wirenut splice.

 

[James L]

Best solution I was using these frequently for years and their great. They are just hard to come by now, normally cost around $8 each since the pandemic about $24 each if you can find them.

I found someone on ebay that had a couple dozen so I bought all they had

 

[Little Bill]

Given the two options, I'd take the Tyco type of splicing device over the buried wirenut splice.

Just curious, if you were going to "bury" the splice anyway, why would you choose the Tyco over the wire nutted in a JB splice? IMO, the JB would be safer, I know it would be cheaper and faster.

 

[James L]

Just curious, if you were going to "bury" the splice anyway, why would you choose the Tyco over the wire nutted in a JB splice? IMO, the JB would be safer, I know it would be cheaper and faster.

I wired a basement 5 weeks ago that had bunches of j-box splices in the ceiling.

Where I was able, I moved wires to accessible points and installed new j-boxes.

Where I couldn't move adequately, I used Tyco splices. I used 5 of them, and 2 did not have good connection to the wires even though there was a definite click when closing the lid.

From a practical standpoint, I would much rather bury a Junction Box. But I do it the approved way.

As far as time, it's kind of a wash either way either way. I've gotten pretty quick at those splash kits

 

[tthh]

I wired a basement 5 weeks ago that had bunches of j-box splices in the ceiling.

Where I was able, I moved wires to accessible points and installed new j-boxes.

Where I couldn't move adequately, I used Tyco splices. I used 5 of them, and 2 did not have good connection to the wires even though there was a definite click when closing the lid.

From a practical standpoint, I would much rather bury a Junction Box. But I do it the approved way.

As far as time, it's kind of a wash either way either way. I've gotten pretty quick at those splash kits

Every time I've used one, I put on my magnifiers and push the wire into the crimp with a pair of needle nose and make sure it all looks nice and biting and then close the clam shell.