My Nephew the Plumber

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sometimes increased advertising is used simply to maintain market share and allow you to be ready to take advantage of the next upturn...
 
Rewire said:
you let the lights go out and they will call an electrician.

That's true but how many of your service calls are actual emergency type service work.

Many service calls are just someone that wants to change out a light fixture, intstall a ceiling fan or add a receptacle for the new plazma TV. As the economy slows you can forget about many of these.

Now back to that emergency service call. Instead of competing with five people for that call now there are ten people wanting that work. Why ? Because a short time ago many of them were involved in new contruction or remodeling and didn't want to fool with emergencies. They also went out looking for that niche market to stay afloat.

The pie does get bigger and smaller with the economy it's called GDP. Which includes all good and services provided.

Talking about pie makes me hungry. :grin:
 
BryanMD said:
PERFECT example of the *need* I referred to earlier.

Your advertising didn't make that circuit fail.
Your advertising *might* get him to call you to fix it though.
(As opposed to the other 200? EC's in the YP when he looks for a name)

Just make sure your one of those 200 in the yellow pages,
 
BryanMD said:
Which brings us full circle (again).

Did everyone learn something? ;)

My guess would be no they din't, they will not try to react before the market does, they will not invest in more advertising, and in come cases they don't have any advertising now.
 
uh, ya, sounds like "Mr. Electric". i worked for this guy. I drove that damm Mr. Electric truck around for like two long years. Damit...I flippen hated to go to the supply house in that damm thing.....FEDC

It kinda worked..... Mrs. Smith wanted her whatever fixed. So like 125 to show up and like an extra 85 to fix if it was ez. If not ez then I had this book with prices and stuff......I would make stuff up to meet my hourly goal......say whata about them goals

my boss was not so happy he had to pay a bunch of money to the main office of "Mr. Electric" and then there was the whole(or hole) of advertizing..... I mean Mr Electric is not Coke or Sears so what DO your advertizing dollars =?

hmmmmmmm.......does plumbing really pay better....better than and other services....cuz like a service is like cleaning ladies, electrical volks, Doctors, and cooks, what about those people that pick up dog poop, thats a service....
 
tell 'em

tell 'em

fpilsparky1 said:
uh, ya, sounds like "Mr. Electric". i worked for this guy. I drove that damm Mr. Electric truck around for like two long years. Damit...I flippen hated to go to the supply house in that damm thing.....FEDC

It kinda worked..... Mrs. Smith wanted her whatever fixed. So like 125 to show up and like an extra 85 to fix if it was ez. If not ez then I had this book with prices and stuff......I would make stuff up to meet my hourly goal......say whata about them goals

my boss was not so happy he had to pay a bunch of money to the main office of "Mr. Electric" and then there was the whole(or hole) of advertizing..... I mean Mr Electric is not Coke or Sears so what DO your advertizing dollars =?

hmmmmmmm.......does plumbing really pay better....better than and other services....cuz like a service is like cleaning ladies, electrical volks, Doctors, and cooks, what about those people that pick up dog poop, thats a service....
Sounds like you got them figured out. How dare someone try to franchise our trade, and then beat little 'ole ladies out of their social security money!!!
 
fpilsparky1 said:
uh, ya, sounds like "Mr. Electric". i worked for this guy. I drove that Damn Mr. Electric truck around for like two long years. Damit.....I flippen hated to go to the supply house in that damn thing.....FEDC

It kinda worked..... Mrs. Smith wanted her whatever fixed. So like 125 to show up and like an extra 85 to fix if it was ez. If not ez then I had this book with prices and stuff......I would make stuff up to meet my hourly goal......say whata about them goals

Does anyone see the problem here? The owner of this company spent his money on a Mr. Electric franchise and then doesn't bother to hire or train service people. It's a loser even before it gets started.

fpilsparky may be a good electrician but if the owner used technicians/electricians with this attitude then he's in the wrong business.

In my opinion fpilsparky could be a poster boy for the type of electrician that you don't want operating a service truck.

No offense fpilsparky, you may be a great construction contractor but doing service work takes a whole different attitude. It helps if people actually like the work and good communication skills are as important as electrical knowledge, not to mention motivation.






 
growler said:
No offense fpilsparky, you may be a great construction contractor but doing service work takes a whole different attitude. It helps if people actually like the work and good communication skills are as important as electrical knowledge, not to mention motivation.
I agree with that assessment very much. I've said before that a good service electrician is a pretty rare cat. Not only does he have to be technically on top of his game, but he has to be visually presentable, well spoken, a nice guy, and a half-decent salesman. He needs to have a cool temper and an even disposition, as well as well-mannered and a clean worker in a person's home or business. All of these traits may not exist in every service electrician, but that is certainly the goal. Technical compentance is no the beginning and end of a service man. There are lots of guys that could get the job done, but that customer may never use your company again because of the fella's other less desirable traits.
 
ceb said:
I agree that IF the elect. has kept good records you could get by with flat rate pricing. However,have we not all looked at a job and in our mind from experience said it should take me x# hours only to run into something we could not see and it winding up taking xx# of hours? Now if you have flat priced the job you loose.Then on the other hand every thing falls into place you win. I think you would loose more often than win.But with the plumbers $1200.00+ to replace a toilet, pipe is already there, two bolts ( worst case need to cut with saw ) one water line, replace wax seal, two new closet bolts, reconnect water line not a lot of hidden obstacles. I would only want to replace two toilets a week for that.:grin: No I'm greedy four:grin:
I think the $1200 figure was just thrown out as an example, may not be what is actually charged. I sure hate to be handed a $1200 bill for a toilet replacement. Not sure who put that figure out first, but am right that it was just given as a for instance? e/m
 
Energy-Miser said:
I think the $1200 figure was just thrown out as an example, may not be what is actually charged.

No, that is the minimum the company my nephew works for charges for a simple replacement with a low level brand water closet.


Really.

Keep in mind, they aim to people with money, they also know how to play the game, they put down rugs in the work area, they wear 'booties' on their feet and strive to leave the area cleaner then when they started.
 
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Energy-Miser said:
I think the $1200 figure was just thrown out as an example, may not be what is actually charged. I sure hate to be handed a $1200 bill for a toilet replacement. Not sure who put that figure out first, but am right that it was just given as a for instance? e/m
As electricians we hate to hand our customers a $1200 bill for jobs like this.
That's why we come here and complain about how little electricians make compared to plumbers. :)

If we handed more of our customers $1200 bills for jobs like this we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
If an electrician were to post on this forum that he was getting $1200 for a job like that he would be riduculed for being a crook, being inefficiant or an idiot for charging that much when obviously he could do the work for much less. I mean really how long could this job possibly take? :)
 
aline said:
As electricians we hate to hand our customers a $1200 bill for jobs like this.
That's why we come here and complain about how little electricians make compared to plumbers. :)

If we handed more of our customers $1200 bills for jobs like this we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I think that you summed it up very well.
 
when you need it!

when you need it!

aline said:
As electricians we hate to hand our customers a $1200 bill for jobs like this.
That's why we come here and complain about how little electricians make compared to plumbers. :)

If we handed more of our customers $1200 bills for jobs like this we wouldn't be having this discussion.
How can we judge what the plumbers charge? Is a toilet worth $1200? I know when you really need one it is priceless!!! Also I know that you usually need to turn on the lights when you use one!
 
iwire said:
No, that is the minimum the company my nephew works for charges for a simple replacement with a low level brand water closet.


Really.

Keep in mind, they aim to people with money, they also know how to play the game, they put down rugs in the work area, they wear 'booties' on their feet and strive to leave the area cleaner then when they started.
Hey if they can get it more power to them. Wasn't too long ago that there was a big fuss at a contractor with NASA for $700 toilet seat ! But that was just the seat. Hate to see what they charge for the whole toilet. Back to the issue, I think cusomers under-value electrical work, because they think that they can do it themselves, when push comes to shove. They don't think that they can do plumbing on their own. Personally I don't see why one should be any easier to DIY than the other, but I think that that is the perception FWIW. e/m.
 
Energy-Miser said:
Wasn't too long ago that there was a big fuss at a contractor with NASA for $700 toilet seat ! But that was just the seat. Hate to see what they charge for the whole toilet.

Independence Day Movie:
Prez: How do you pay for all of this?
Judd Hirsch: What? You don't think they actually charge $700 for a toilet, do you?

Back to the issue, I think customers under-value electrical work, because they think that they can do it themselves, when push comes to shove. They don't think that they can do plumbing on their own. Personally I don't see why one should be any easier to DIY than the other, but I think that that is the perception FWIW. e/m.


There are plenty of DIY jobs going on in plumbing work.

Service Plumbing is dirty work.
You might get shocked/killed doing electrical but you won't get sick from it.
 
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