# name of this bend, where discussed online, how to do it?

#### ToolHound

##### Senior Member
name for this bend, and how to do it, where discussed on this Forum or anywhere online, please (bend allows conduit to go over the ink pen , in other words allows conduit to go over another conduit run parallel alongside first condit)? picture attached.Thanks.

#### Dsg319

##### Senior Member
For me it would be a "do over".
How would one calculate the math? Say you needed a 3inch kick, would you just kick it 3” than do the same on the other side ?

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PVC? Easy

#### infinity

##### Moderator
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With the two kicks chances are unless the kicks are huge one kick will hit the pen. Two offsets would be better, one up the other back down. I might have a photo somewhere.

#### 480sparky

##### Senior Member
How to bend it would depend on the size you're working with. ½ - 1" EMT, I'd just eyeball it. Maybe need two tries at it. Anything larger, or rigid, I'd revert to Plan B.

#### synchro

##### Senior Member
With the two kicks chances are unless the kicks are huge one kick will hit the pen. Two offsets would be better, one up the other back down. I might have a photo somewhere.
I agree. Basically, you'd take a 90 degree bend and raise it up to a higher parallel plane so that it clears the other conduit by using an offset on each side of the 90 bend.

#### James L

##### Senior Member
How to bend it would depend on the size you're working with. ½ - 1" EMT, I'd just eyeball it.
I'd eyeball it. Keep in mind the kicks would not be square to the 90

Have to roll the bender a bit to the outside

#### James L

##### Senior Member
With the two kicks chances are unless the kicks are huge one kick will hit the pen. Two offsets would be better, one up the other back down. I might have a photo somewhere.
That would make sure you stay square to the 90

#### LarryFine

##### Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
What size is the pen and what size and type is the UTP cable?

#### lauraj

##### Senior Member
I would do a kick on one side to raise it up, and an offset on the other side to lower it down.

#### ritelec

##### Senior Member
Are there rules for boring or notching pens?

#### ToolHound

##### Senior Member
Thanks. The pen and the UTP wire are used just to represent conduit, and are both 3/4 inch EMT in the actual situation.

#### K8MHZ

##### Senior Member
Looks like a 90 with two kicks should do it. It might take a couple tries. I think it looks tougher than it is.

#### Russs57

##### Senior Member
It does remind of a bend that is used when you are making a 90 degree turn and transitioning from pipe vertically stacked on top of each other to pipe run horizontally next to each other.

I'm not an electrician and I find there is always a regional jargon. We called it a fan. Or you could do something like the attachment.

#### MSU_Electrician

##### Member
I would say it's a 90 with a kick with a Rollin offset on the leg of the 90.

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#### Bluegrass Boy

##### Senior Member
I'd eyeball it. Keep in mind the kicks would not be square to the 90

Have to roll the bender a bit to the outside
I agree. Your second kick would roll the first one.

On the funny side, it looks like your new apprentices first attempt at bending a 3 point saddle.

#### jmellc

##### Senior Member
I have done similar when going over an obstruction at the bend. Mark 6 or 12 inches from corner, do 15 degrees each way, Then bend offset at short end. Adjust measurement as needed.