raberding
Senior Member
- Location
- Dayton, OH
- Occupation
- Consulting Engineer
that's what I think too. thxHow could it not be violating that section? What is the interpretation that makes it not a violation?
Whether the item has wheels or not or is easy to move does not seem to be part of the language. Garbage/cans are being stored there. Now that said it's kind of an academic thing because no one is going to be enforcing the NEC after the project is completed (except as Augie said the fire department, my client gets zinged with stuff like that and extension cords, etc by them).I think it's fine. Because the cans have wheels, and they are presumably regularly moved anyway, which means I can move them out of the way in 10 seconds if I need access.
I also don't think it's a violation if you put a panel on a garage wall where a regularly used car is parked slightly under 3ft away.
In both cases, the regular moving of the items means to me it's not 'storage'.
Now if the car is a weekend project and the motor has been removed...
That has nothing to do with the garbage can question.I think we are missing suitably gaurded here and what that means.
Whether the item has wheels or not or is easy to move does not seem to be part of the language. Garbage/cans are being stored there. Now that said it's kind of an academic thing because no one is going to be enforcing the NEC after the project is completed (except as Augie said the fire department, my client gets zinged with stuff like that and extension cords, etc by them).
Ok so the cans are always in use holding the garbage, but the garbage is being stored there until it is removed. But then again the garbage isn't stored for future "use" so i guess the garbage is also not being ,"stored"Well, the AHJ can go consult a dictionary. Oxford has 'store' implying laying away for 'future' use and Merriam Webster says 'later' use. Seems to me the garbage cans would be always presently in use.
I do agree that a fair interpretation could depend on residential vs. commercial or other details of the particular situation making it more or less likely that the cans couldn't/wouldn't be moved.
Well, the AHJ can go consult a dictionary. Oxford has 'store' implying laying away for 'future' use and Merriam Webster says 'later' use. Seems to me the garbage cans would be always presently in use.
I do agree that a fair interpretation could depend on residential vs. commercial or other details of the particular situation making it more or less likely that the cans couldn't/wouldn't be moved.
How is your toolbag not an obstacle? The code does not use the word 'obstacle'. It uses the word 'storage'. See dictionary definition.How is the can in front of the panel not an obstacle?
Sure it does. Do we let everyone opening these cans whip the lid against this electric equipment. In order to guard from this we would need a guard, for that working distance. Already has skid marks on it. We gonna tell the architect that putting garbage in front of the service equipment is a good place for it. We can debate every fine word for it, is it a good idea? Should we even have to make a rule or maybe we should, need a place for the garbage.That has nothing to do with the garbage can question.
Exactly. Since you're adding trash, it's in use, therefore not stored.If they’re literally “not for future use”, that means you can’t add trash once they’re placed there.
That part has to do with exposed live parts, which is not as issue when the panel deadfronts are on. The cans will be gone when the covers are off. Go read that part again.Sure it does. Do we let everyone opening these cans whip the lid against this electric equipment. In order to guard from this we would need a guard, for that working distance.
Different issue, different code section. See 110.27(B).Lets write a proposal,,,, cant have the panels as a backstop for the dumpsters.