NEC 2017 requirment for the dishwasher
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What year code are you under?
Edit to add, I just noticed the title. 210.8 (D) is where you need to look.
Edit to add, I just noticed the title. 210.8 (D) is where you need to look.
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Alejandro
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If is a receptavle it needs to be GFCI if is hard Wired you need a GFCI BK.
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jumper
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Not quite. A standard receptacle could be protected upstream by a GFCI receptacle, a dead front GFCI, or a GFCI breaker - the same holds true if you hardwired it. Any of these methods could be employed.
Alejandro
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Agree. If a standard recep. Is protected then it is a gfci.
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I just discovered the unwelcome news that this requirement came into being in the 2014 NEC, is still in place for the 2017 NEC, and the Seattle amendments did not remove it. Why "unwelcome," you ask? Because I just bought a new dishwasher to replace a recently deceased 10+ year old model, and the circuit is not GFCI protected. I am told that the installer has the necessary skills and permissions to do any electrical connections. I don't know whether that person will also have a license that will allow replacement of an existing receptacle (or installation of a new one, if the unit is hard wired) with a GFCI model. I don't believe my circuit breaker box is a model that can accept GFCI breakers. I have no interest in performing any DIY work here. But I am concerned over how this will shake out.
kwired
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It is unchanged from 2014.
The sad thing about this is the reason it was put in the 2014. It has nothing to do with personnel protection as does the rest of 210.8, it is because certain dishwashers were prone to starting fires and instead of product recalls as there probably should have been the fix was to require GFCI protection that apparently will detect whatever is causing these fires to start.
Possibly another case of product manufacturers buying off the code making panels if you ask me. How many of those diswashers are going into existing installations where noboby will add the GFCI, or for that matter were installed before the GFCI was even a requirement?
Leespark57
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To be totally 2017 NEC code compliant, the dishwasher is also required to have AFCI protection as well, 210.12(A). Most installations I see use a dual function AFCI/GFCI breaker in the panel to ensure that the GFCI is readily accessible. Keep in mind, if the dishwasher is cord and plug connected, the receptacle must be installed in the space adjacent to the dishwasher, and not in the space the dishwasher occupies, 422.16(B)(2).
curt swartz
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If it were my house and was just replacing appliances (plugging into existing receptacle) I would not add GFCI or AFCI protection.
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JFletcher
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I somehow seriously doubt that when BB store employees go to install your new dishwasher that they will look at the panel to see if the circuit is AFCI/GFCI protected.
"How many of those diswashers are going into existing installations where noboby will add the GFCI, or for that matter were installed before the GFCI was even a requirement?"
All of them.
"How many of those diswashers are going into existing installations where noboby will add the GFCI, or for that matter were installed before the GFCI was even a requirement?"
All of them.
Not true... at least not 422.16(B)(2). Condition (4) therein states "The receptacle shall be located in the space occupied by the appliance or adjacent thereto."
What forces one to install a typical GFCI receptacle in an adjacent space is the opening paragraph 210.8 which requires the GFCI be installed in a readily accessible location.
Leespark57
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Smart,
I think you are looking at the 2014. New in 2017:
422.16(B)(2)
(5) The receptacle for a trash compactor shall be located in the space occupied by the appliance or adjacent thereto.
(6) The receptacle for a built-in dishwasher shall be located in the space adjacent to the space occupied by the dishwasher.
This is true for any receptacle, not just GFCI's.
readydave8
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most of the ones I see done by delivery guy don't have box connector in DW junction box, many have leads spliced outside of the box to romex
Ahhh! You are correct. Was looking at 2014.
Hendrix
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In which case, what do they do with the ground :?
kwired
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There is usually a green lead to connect to and not so much a screw terminal anymore for the EGC.
Besides many just about don't even have a splice box anymore. They still have a place to attach a cord connector or conduit fitting though, and it should still be used.
JFletcher
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Its been a few months since I installed a new dishwasher, but it had a splice box, a ground whip/tail, even a port for a cat5e/ethernet cable. The cover for the box was in with the rack accessories, instructions, etc, and not physically mounted on the dishwasher.
Hendrix
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It has been about 10 years since I put a cord on a D.W..:roll:
kwired
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