NEC 230.2 Services

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I checked sorry for the confusion but the service point is at the secondary of the transformer terminals. So what does that mean in terms of having one service or two

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codequestion said:
I checked sorry for the confusion but the service point is at the secondary of the transformer terminals. So what does that mean in terms of having one service or two

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That strongly suggests one service with two sets of service conductors. But the two meters complicate that interpretation.
 
GoldDigger said:
That strongly suggests one service with two sets of service conductors. But the two meters complicate that interpretation.
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Well they are ultilty neter not customer owned. Utility is going to install them their the transformer is outside thats what i am being told.

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Well they are ultilty neter not customer owned. Utility is going to install them their the transformer is outside thats what i am being told. Is this not standard of utility?



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codequestion said:
Well they are ultilty neter not customer owned. Utility is going to install them their the transformer is outside thats what i am being told.

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Since it is a service lateral (only because it is a lateral) you have on e set of service entrance conductors with service disconnects grouped at one location

you still need to comply with 230.70 , No utility is going to bring energized service conductors into a building with out an inspection

Most likely the utility only owns the meters. the equipment housing the meters may very well be customer owned.
 
codequestion said:
I checked sorry for the confusion but the service point is at the secondary of the transformer terminals. So what does that mean in terms of having one service or two

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Then it is one service. However What i find a bit odd is you say the service point is at the transformer secondary but the utility will install the conductors. It seems odd for utility to install conductors on the load side of the service point.
 

You need to check with your authority

250.142 Use of Grounded Circuit Conductor for Grounding Equipment.
(B) Load-Side Equipment. E

Exception No. 2: It shall be permissible to ground meter enclosures by connection to the grounded circuit conductor on the load side of the service disconnect where all of the following conditions apply:

This exception addresses situations where the utility metering is inside of a building.

you must hit a service disconnect as the first equipment, there would be no justification to hit other equipment first.


edit: also keep in mind both laterals need to be 1/0 or larger
 
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roger said:
In the first drawing it's at the top of the page almost center.

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Go look at the attachment in post #9 and get back with me if you don't understand what I meant from there.

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jap said:
Go look at the attachment in post #9 and get back with me if you don't understand what I meant from there.

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jap said:
That wasn't in his first drawing.

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I know what you meant and that is the reason I sent you to his first post where the original attachment was which was post number one, get back to me if you don't understand that. :D

BTW, I agree that he muddied the waters in post #9



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roger said:
The problem I see is that there are two meters fed separately from the transformer, that is a good argument for it being two services, I would think there would be separate accounts and billings.

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NEC only sees meters as a wide point in the service conductors (don't know who to credit that to but has been explained that way on this site before)

If you have more then six meters as part of the same service you typically need a service disconnect ahead of them.
 
kwired said:
NEC only sees meters as a wide point in the service conductors (don't know who to credit that to but has been explained that way on this site before)

If you have more then six meters as part of the same service you typically need a service disconnect ahead of them.
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I agree. Take, say, a three gang meter socket, fed by a common riser to a single service drop. Everyone is comfortable with that. Now instead, take 3 single meter sockets, each with their own riser but all connected to the same service drop. I find people are more likely to be uncomfortable with that, but it still meets 230.40 ex 2
 
electrofelon said:
I agree. Take, say, a three gang meter socket, fed by a common riser to a single service drop. Everyone is comfortable with that. Now instead, take 3 single meter sockets, each with their own riser but all connected to the same service drop. I find people are more likely to be uncomfortable with that, but it still meets 230.40 ex 2
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Huh? I dont understand.

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roger said:
I know what you meant and that is the reason I sent you to his first post where the original attachment was which was post number one, get back to me if you don't understand that. :D

BTW, I agree that he muddied the waters in post #9
Roger
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Just getting back with you since now that I went all the way back to post number one what you said makes perfect sense,,,,, so take that. :)

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kwired said:
NEC only sees meters as a wide point in the service conductors (don't know who to credit that to but has been explained that way on this site before)
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Probably (no, I'm NOT gonna say "prolly"!) the same guy that said "an audio amplifier should be a straight wire with gain".
 
kwired said:
NEC only sees meters as a wide point in the service conductors (don't know who to credit that to but has been explained that way on this site before)
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I know the number of meters does not mean multiple services hence the reason I said "fed separately" and is a "good argument", I didn't state it was multiple services. The fact that there are multiple laterals could mean more than one service.
 
electrofelon said:
I agree. Take, say, a three gang meter socket, fed by a common riser to a single service drop. Everyone is comfortable with that. Now instead, take 3 single meter sockets, each with their own riser but all connected to the same service drop. I find people are more likely to be uncomfortable with that, but it still meets 230.40 ex 2
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Not sure what you mean by above i.e. how is it 230.40 ex 2 and how is not?

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