JohnE
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Like what?
Neutral on the ground bar?
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jwelectric
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Now how is he supposed to answer that? didn?t he say that he had forgotten?Originally posted by j_erickson:
Like what?
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
I'd like to challenge the "G-man". I believe I've forgotten more than he has.
I'd like to challenge the "G-man". I believe I've forgotten more than he has.
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Haven't heard from G3guy lately. Maybe he's forgotten how to post.
Haven't heard from G3guy lately. Maybe he's forgotten how to post.
peter d
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
I doubt we will hear from him again, that is, until he comes out with his series of NEC related books and his new code forum. He does know everything after all.Originally posted by charlie b:
Haven't heard from G3guy lately. Maybe he's forgotten how to post.
allenwayne
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Arrogance is something that just comes naturally,as far as the entertainment value of your comment it lacks the validity of an honest reply :roll: We all come here to further our knowledge in a field that NOBODY KNOWS IT ALL.
Arrogance is something that just comes naturally,as far as the entertainment value of your comment it lacks the validity of an honest reply
:roll: We all come here to further our knowledge in a field that NOBODY KNOWS IT ALL.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
You know, you're right. I thought that I was wrong once, but it turned out that I was mistaken.
Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Gosh, perhaps you folk could tell me if I may participate on the forum. I am not an electrician but work in the industry on math / statistical / engineering issues dealing with electrical components and the like. My previous and first post is copied below. It was in answer to a electrical/water heater GFCI discussion:
"Hi There, I am new to the forum. I do a bunch of statistical stuff for electrical manufacturers / UL and the like. Includes things like: Whats the probability a circuit will fail under X conditions when 3 out of 67 000 failed under Y conditions etc etc.
Anyway the most likely reason for the manufacturer to request that the water heater NOT have a GFCI is that the flame burning inside the heater will produce some ionization. Over prolonged burning periods (large amount of water draw) this can manifest as a small charge which may trip the GFCI if it is dissipated through it.
Regards Ann"
Am I going to be "run off" if I participate further.
Regards Ann
Gosh, perhaps you folk could tell me if I may participate on the forum. I am not an electrician but work in the industry on math / statistical / engineering issues dealing with electrical components and the like. My previous and first post is copied below. It was in answer to a electrical/water heater GFCI discussion:
"Hi There, I am new to the forum. I do a bunch of statistical stuff for electrical manufacturers / UL and the like. Includes things like: Whats the probability a circuit will fail under X conditions when 3 out of 67 000 failed under Y conditions etc etc.
Anyway the most likely reason for the manufacturer to request that the water heater NOT have a GFCI is that the flame burning inside the heater will produce some ionization. Over prolonged burning periods (large amount of water draw) this can manifest as a small charge which may trip the GFCI if it is dissipated through it.
Regards Ann"
Am I going to be "run off" if I participate further.
Regards Ann
Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Ann, you fit the in "This NEC? Forum is for those in the electrical and related industries." category, so welcome. Note that you should offer answers in your expertise and when asking questions becareful of the "how to types"
Roger
Ann, you fit the in "This NEC? Forum is for those in the electrical and related industries." category, so welcome. Note that you should offer answers in your expertise and when asking questions becareful of the "how to types"
Roger
electricmanscott
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Booorrrriiiinnggg!
6t9deville
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Although I have a degree in electronics, I am not a electrician, so I guess you could call me a semi-educated DIYer. I know enough to answer the original question (which I'm not sure any of the "professionals" in here actually have), but did post a question of my own in the
"Grounding/Bonding" section of this site. I assumed this site was for the "masters" of the electrical trade to show off a bit and help out those of us who don't know everything about the trade, but I may have been wrong. Giving advice is a right of yours, not a possible law suit because it is just that...advice. Whoever askd the question can take it or not, but giving the advice could possibly help someone from doing something that could potentially kill themselves in the long run. A "Mockery of your trade" is exactly what that persons reply was...
Although I have a degree in electronics, I am not a electrician, so I guess you could call me a semi-educated DIYer. I know enough to answer the original question (which I'm not sure any of the "professionals" in here actually have), but did post a question of my own in the
"Grounding/Bonding" section of this site. I assumed this site was for the "masters" of the electrical trade to show off a bit and help out those of us who don't know everything about the trade, but I may have been wrong. Giving advice is a right of yours, not a possible law suit because it is just that...advice. Whoever askd the question can take it or not, but giving the advice could possibly help someone from doing something that could potentially kill themselves in the long run. A "Mockery of your trade" is exactly what that persons reply was...
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- retired electrician
Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Look at the top of the index page.
Don
electricmanscott
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
So the answer is.... :roll:
davedottcom
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
The ONLY advice that will save lives is telling them to hire a qualified electrician.
There are way to many variables involved to be able to give someone a 5 minute crash course on even the simplest of installs.
It is simply impossible and very naive of the DIY'er to think it is.
The same way I am Naive when I think I can fix my car sometimes!
I understand where you are coming from but unfortunately you are not considering the fact that giving a "little" information to someone gives them a "false" sense of security, and that is when they become dangerous to themselves and others.
The ONLY advice that will save lives is telling them to hire a qualified electrician.
There are way to many variables involved to be able to give someone a 5 minute crash course on even the simplest of installs.
It is simply impossible and very naive of the DIY'er to think it is.
The same way I am Naive when I think I can fix my car sometimes!
pulliteasy
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Hi I have a question on this topic of a bad breaker. Some people I know had the breaker trip that has the refrigerator on it. It is an older home,wiring is say 35 years old. They had "A FRIEND" come evaluate the situation and he found that the breaker was "BAD". This guy is not an electrician but has also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express a night or two. It is wired with 14-2 with ground and is on a single circuit.Also he put the refrigerator or rather switched circuits with something else on a single circuit and there was no problem so he ended up replacing the breaker and it eliminated the problem.15 amp breaker,refrigerator is 4 mths. old. Can or could age maybe cause a breaker to get weak with continual usage through heat and such.Found no fault with appliance or wiring except the fact of it being 14-2.
Hi I have a question on this topic of a bad breaker. Some people I know had the breaker trip that has the refrigerator on it. It is an older home,wiring is say 35 years old. They had "A FRIEND" come evaluate the situation and he found that the breaker was "BAD". This guy is not an electrician but has also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express a night or two. It is wired with 14-2 with ground and is on a single circuit.Also he put the refrigerator or rather switched circuits with something else on a single circuit and there was no problem so he ended up replacing the breaker and it eliminated the problem.15 amp breaker,refrigerator is 4 mths. old. Can or could age maybe cause a breaker to get weak with continual usage through heat and such.Found no fault with appliance or wiring except the fact of it being 14-2.
jimwalker
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
""A FRIEND""
Hmmm could you perhaps be that friend ?
Breakers do go bad but not often.Some start making bad contact with the bus bar and the heat from it will cause it to trip.Best thing to do is check the bus bar and breaker for signs of arcing.There is nothing wrong in 14-2 feeding a single frig.If the problem went away with the new breaker then either it was bad (unlikely)or by removing it and installing the new one you made a better connection (more likely).
""A FRIEND""
Hmmm could you perhaps be that friend ?
Breakers do go bad but not often.Some start making bad contact with the bus bar and the heat from it will cause it to trip.Best thing to do is check the bus bar and breaker for signs of arcing.There is nothing wrong in 14-2 feeding a single frig.If the problem went away with the new breaker then either it was bad (unlikely)or by removing it and installing the new one you made a better connection (more likely).
petersonra
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Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
breakers do fail from time to time. its a good bet that the breaker was indeed bad if the breaker was replaced with one of the same amperage and the new one did not trip.
or the so called friend might have replaced a 15A CB with a 30A CB to keep it from tripping. in that case he is no friend.
breakers do fail from time to time. its a good bet that the breaker was indeed bad if the breaker was replaced with one of the same amperage and the new one did not trip.
or the so called friend might have replaced a 15A CB with a 30A CB to keep it from tripping. in that case he is no friend.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
Re: Neutral on the ground bar?
Is that a bad thing to do?
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