New AFCI rule (for the resi guys)

Learn the NEC with Mike Holt now!

New AFCI rule (for the resi guys)

  • I'm going to install less circuits so I can install less AFCI's

    Votes: 13 20.6%

  • I'm not going to change anything about circuit layout stuff the panel full of AFCI's

    Votes: 42 66.7%

  • I'm going to defy the NEC and not install AFCI's at all

    Votes: 8 12.7%
  • Total voters
    63
Status
Not open for further replies.
So while you guys try to save the world from mean old code changes and their associated injustices I will be selling outlet installations that are code compliant.

Rather than worry about the poor homeowner (most of which have more money than us real working stiffs) I'm going to take these code changes and use them to my advantage and in the process take some of their money.

This is opportunity staring us right in the face and some of you can only find the will to resist it. Me, I am going to u$e it to my advantage. That's is why I am in this business.

Plumbers wouldn't be complaing about this like some of us, and by us I mean you. :grin:
 
Last edited:
electricmanscott said:
So while you guys try to save the world from mean old code changes and their associated injustices I will be selling outlet installations that are code compliant.

Rather than worry about the poor homeowner (most of which have more money than use real working stiffs) I'm going to take these code changes and use them to my advantage and in the process take some of their money.

This is opportunity staring us right in the face and some of you can only find the will to resist it. Me, I am going to u$e it to my advantage. That's is why I am in this business.

Plumbers wouldn't be complaing about this like some of us, and by us I mean you. :grin:
Click to expand...

Ok, I agree with most of your post, but re-read mine. MINOR changes to existing.... The bulk will BALK when quoted the reflected price to install a single new outlet, if it is to be done corectly to code, and I end up losing the business to the craigslist crowd. That is my gripe, not the increased cost factor in general as per requiring afci's in more areas of the house than is the current bedroom requirement. I feel that there should have been exemptions written in for "existing" installations, but too late for that now.
 
iwire said:
I am very curious who is choosing this option.
Click to expand...
I'm curious why Mr. d even listed this as an option.

BTW I didn't vote as this doesn't apply to the work I do now.
 
ItsHot said:
I always wondered back when afcis first were required in bedrooms, "why" bedrooms?
Click to expand...

Originally, the thought process went like this:

Faulty electrical wiring causes house fires.
House fires kill people.
Most people who die in house fires die in the bedroom.
Therefore, it must be the bedroom wiring that was faulty.
Ergo, AFCI the bedroom wiring.
 
Okay I will install them because I have too..I will not just charge more because I can, because it really does make more work..It does take extra time to do AFCI but no more than a GFCI..I don't know why they just don't make us install GFCI mains and be done with the whole BS thing..GFCI mains and regular breakers thats the way..There is one thing about it I already wire so AFCI will work with out any modification to wiring methods..It is really sad when a minority of the population can drive the car for the many..So my rant is done and I will move on..can anyone tell me if SqD makes a combination breaker afci & gfci in 15 amp and 20 amp..I hate wiring in the afci and then using the first outlet with GFCI to accomplish this..I think doing it that way just enables the HO to remove outlet at first sign of problem..
 
Last edited by a moderator:
smoking?

smoking?

480sparky said:
Originally, the thought process went like this:

Faulty electrical wiring causes house fires.
House fires kill people.
Most people who die in house fires die in the bedroom.
Therefore, it must be the bedroom wiring that was faulty.
Ergo, AFCI the bedroom wiring.
Click to expand...
I kind of thought this, but I at the time thought,"well if they are so great(afcis) why don't we protect all areas? I always thought the reason people died in bed from fires was from smoking in bed?? Have you ever slept in your home some other place besides the bedroom? Some of the changes to the nec is because we were not doing something right in the first place so we changed the way we do it. I have read in this forum that the nec can not even define "bedroom"??
 
ItsHot said:
Have you ever slept in your home some other place besides the bedroom?
Click to expand...

Lemme guess...... you're not married.


Just kidding! :grin: (Sorry, I couldn't resist that one!)

Look at it this way: How did the requirements for installing GFIs develop? First, just construction site temp. power. Then bathrooms & outside. Garages, unfinished basements, crawlspaces.... then kitchens.... boathouses.... then laundry & utility sinks.....

I'm sure GFI protection will expand with the '11, as will AFCI protection.
 
we just GFCI the whole panel, eliminate the AFCI rule..If and when the house burns down due to no AFCI it will employee Americans who need jobs to build new one..if they fall asleep on couch when they come home from the bar drunk with cigarette in mouth and it falls to the floor and burns house down..Someone could die..but I am sure it was the fault of the lamp left on that did not trip out the circuit breaker when the carpet burned the cord in half..
 
Just spoke with the Square D rep in my area and he said they are coming out with a 54 space panel to try to accommodate the extra spaces. I'm sure it will cost a bit more.........just wouldn't be right if they didn't get a double-dip out of this change..........
 
marcerrin said:
Just spoke with the Square D rep in my area and he said they are coming out with a 54 space panel to try to accommodate the extra spaces. I'm sure it will cost a bit more.........just wouldn't be right if they didn't get a double-dip out of this change..........
Click to expand...
Make way for QOTs! You just know someone will try to cram in 108 circuits...
 
marcerrin said:
Just spoke with the Square D rep in my area and he said they are coming out with a 54 space panel to try to accommodate the extra spaces. I'm sure it will cost a bit more.........just wouldn't be right if they didn't get a double-dip out of this change..........
Click to expand...


What extra spaces are now required? :confused:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top