New service install

[Hv&Lv]

Depends on the poco too, Georgia Power prohibits it from being in their equipment, while other poco’s want it terminated there.

See, that’s where I disagree.
The Meterbase is owned by the consumer on our system.
The meter is in the customer’s equipment.

 

[hillbilly1]

See, that’s where I disagree.
The Meterbase is owned by the consumer on our system.
The meter is in the customer’s equipment.

With Georgia Power, you can own it, or they can own it. Either way they will not allow the GEC in the meter compartment, or the CT cabinet. I don’t know if they still do, but BRMEMC wants the GEC continuous all the way up the mast on overhead services, and they crimp it with the neutral at the weatherhead.

 

[readydave8]

habersham emc always required that, but no longer does

 

[romex jockey]

What do you mean by "V,s"

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verses

sorry

~RJ~

 

[romex jockey]

I'd be curious enough to place an amprobe around one of those green wires under a load there

~RJ~

 

[kwired]

So the GEC is not landed in the meter base? If it were, you wouldn't need the jumpers.

If not landing in the meter socket, CT cabinet, or some other splice box when present in setup like this one I typically would run GEC to one of the panels and a bonding jumper to the other panel. Kind of personally think GEC to one panel is sufficient, particularly if the service conductors are tied together pretty much on opposite side the wall in a meter cabinet, but NEC just not worded to accept that. Bonding jumper does create a place for current to parallel.

 

[paulcoulston]

Am I the only Electrician that installs load centers with the main breaker on THE bottom ? Saves Service cable and gives you more room on the one side of the panel. I do mostly residential work. Just try to get a Arc/GFCI breaker on that side of the panel.

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[norcal]

Am I the only Electrician that installs load centers with the main breaker on THE bottom ? Saves Service cable and gives you more room on the one side of the panel. I do mostly residential work. Just try to get a Arc/GFCI breaker on that side of the panel.

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Some erroneously call that panel "upside down", I maintain that the main lugs/ breaker should be at the end where the conduit/cable enters, there are always exceptions to the rule.

 

[retirede]

Am I the only Electrician that installs load centers with the main breaker on THE bottom ? Saves Service cable and gives you more room on the one side of the panel. I do mostly residential work. Just try to get a Arc/GFCI breaker on that side of the panel.

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1) Many services are fed overhead.
2) If the main is vertically mounted, doesn’t the NEC require “On” to be in the up position?

 

[brantmacga]

Am I the only Electrician that installs load centers with the main breaker on THE bottom ? Saves Service cable and gives you more room on the one side of the panel. I do mostly residential work. Just try to get a Arc/GFCI breaker on that side of the panel.

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No inspectors calling you out for not having smokes on AFCI? I’ve always put them on the bedroom lighting circuit so it’s obvious if that circuit has tripped.

I’ve been using the Eaton BR on resi lately because they have that short body PON AF & GF. Square D recently changed their dual-function breakers to have a short body (still slightly longer than regular breaker) but I haven’t seen any available here yet.


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[AC\DC]

Can I ask what is that metal bracket on the smokes, and why the set screws on it?

 

[Fred B]

Can I ask what is that metal bracket on the smokes, and why the set screws on it?

Looks like a handle lock to prevent breaker from being unintentionally turned off.

 

[kwired]

Looks like a handle lock to prevent breaker from being unintentionally turned off.

That style can keep it from unintentionally being turned on or off.

Will still trip if called upon to do so, just need to take the attachment off to reset it.

That however doesn't comply with 110.25 for disconnecting means that are required to be lockable.

 

[Fred B]

That style can keep it from unintentionally being turned on or off.

Will still trip if called upon to do so, just need to take the attachment off to reset it.

That however doesn't comply with 110.25 for disconnecting means that are required to be lockable.

True, there is other device for "lockable" for LOTO purposes.

 

[grich]

Looks like a handle lock to prevent breaker from being unintentionally turned off.

Haven't seen a handle lock since my youth working for the local school district. They used handle locks a lot for fire alarm and master clock circuits.

 

[paulcoulston]

No, this County requires 15 amp standard breaker with handle screw device to prevent occupant from turning off. 14/2 to first smoke then 14/3 to interconnect them. They recently added the carbon monoxide requirements to go along with the smoke. I can attach file if you want to see it.

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[Tulsa Electrician]

Do they also require battery back up as well?
I can see why they may do it as an amendment.
I take it they will also not allow any other items added to this circuit.

I would like to read it just for my own curiosity.

 

[Tulsa Electrician]

From looking at the pic it looks like receptacles (outlets) are on #12, 20 amp lighting #14, 15 amp.
Is this also part of there rules?
Post up a link to the amendments.
May be some good read.
Thanks

 

[AC\DC]

That makes good sense, never seen one before thanks.

 

[LarryFine]

From looking at the pic it looks like receptacles (outlets) are on #12, 20 amp lighting #14, 15 amp.
Is this also part of there rules?

Not in most places, but it's by far my preference.