New Sim-pull condcutors

[tallguy]

Well, that didn't take long.

Thanks for the update.

Funny... I was tempted to make a wisea$$ post a couple weeks ago saying in essence:
"Somewhere there is a junior Southwire engineer saying 'I told you so'..."

Who knew!?

 

[celtic]

I've used it and love it, but if there is a cost premium, I'll use the old stuff.

Iwas always told the cheapest thing in acable pull was the soap

What do you consider a "premium" or "cheap"?

SIM-PULL requires no rags or clean-up after the pull....knock off the head and start terminating vs. soaping the wires (and getting slippery goo all over the place), cleaning the head upon exit from the run, etc etc etc.

While SIM-PULL may seem costly at first, consider the larger picture and what's required.

 

[mdshunk]

While SIM-PULL may seem costly at first, consider the larger picture and what's required.

I dunno. I'm using lube anyhow, I don't care what anyone claims. Truthfully, if the SimPull suff is more expensive, I don't see it in my bill. It seems like slicker stuff for the same price as always. I'm still using lube, but maybe I'm having an easier pull as a result now. In any event, I'll take it.

 

[peter d]

I'm using lube anyhow, I don't care what anyone claims. .

That's fine and certainly your right.

But I'm sure Southwire poured a ton of time and money into testing a product that is going to revolutionize wire pulling. No doubt they have a lot invested into this and I doubt they are going to make the claims they have only to put a defective product on the market.

 

[chris kennedy]

That's fine and certainly your right.

But I'm sure Southwire poured a ton of time and money into testing a product that is going to revolutionize wire pulling. No doubt they have a lot invested into this and I doubt they are going to make the claims they have only to put a defective product on the market.

It's not a defective product. How much field testing under what conditions do you think they did.

I'm getting used to this product and have done 2 short pulls without lube no problem.

I've done a few pulls 150' up to 270' under ground with lube and wouldn't dream of not using lube the next time.

And by the way, anything but Yellow 77!

 

[peter d]

It's not a defective product. How much field testing under what conditions do you think they did.

I'm not saying it's defective. I'm saying that I don't think they're going to claim you don't need lube, only to have someone do a pull and have all the installation shred off.

This is what Southwire has to say:

Applying Southwire's patent-pending SIM Technology to THHN required extensive development and manufacturing know how at Southwire's Cofer Technology Center, a research and testing facility unique in the industry. After two years of development and testing at the Cofer Center, millions of feet of the new THHN product have been bought and installed by contractors in the field. Over the past year, Southwire has monitored and documented these installations with overwhelmingly positive results.

Edit: Either way, I don't care. I don't do commercial work anymore. But I'd like to see how this stuff performs.

 

[tallguy]

I dunno. I'm using lube anyhow, I don't care what anyone claims. Truthfully, if the SimPull suff is more expensive, I don't see it in my bill. It seems like slicker stuff for the same price as always.

It seems that the Southwire strategy is not to charge a premium for the technology, but rather to try to gain a competitive advantage vs. other companies who will not be able to offer this feature.

 

[DaveMercier]

Southwire Installation Guide

Southwire Installation Guide

I asked George, and he said it would be all right for me to put Southwire's Wire Pulling Manual up for download.

You can download Southwire's "Installation and Application Guide for 600V Conductors" at http://www.southwire.com/Southwire/...HHNInstallationandApplicationGuide8-15-07.pdf.

This guide was written specifically for commercial installations. It also includes instructions for using lubricant in a pull if SIMpull THHN is not being installed. I am the technical editor for this guide and welcome all feedback to XXXXXXXX. Of course, I will also continue to check the forum for comments.

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[John Arendt]

I had this experience this week, before I saw thread. I called Southwire, spoke to an App Engineer. Went back next AM & looked at the conductors again. Yes, faintly, on the 'back side' in Ink Jet' print THWN, etc.

I sent an e-mail to the App Eng regarding the difficulty of reading the designations, and asked 'why' it all could not be the nice, large, white printing. His reply (quickly) was that the 'SimPull-THHN" is to let the supply houses know what's on the spool. DUMB?? IMHO, yes!

THe EC at this job was a happy guy when I finally saw the "W".

As to a comment above regarding 'dust pick-up', I have to that is true based on the install I was inspecting.

Also, I thought that it was quite 'odd' for a straight designated insulation rating on this wire....as most if not all has been multi-type designation for quite some time.

Don: I did the same thing you did...saw the readable print....and didn't even think to search for the 'fine print'....

Yes, to be human

John:roll:

 

[george t. everett]

When I first used Sim Pull NM cable, I thought it was great with a hard insulation that was easy to pull through drilled holes. The last batch I got I wound up with a foot of empty insulation after each pull. It wasn't worth the extra money.