no egc on receptacles in 1950 home

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Adamjamma said:
but gee, what about the money you can make by stripping the wire and recycling it??? Leaving it in the walls for someone else to make the money from? Is it code compliant to leave the wire in the walls?
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You are not required to remove any chapter 3 wiring, it can be abandoned in place.

Chapter 8 cables cannot be abandoned in place and must be removed, see 800.25.

Eta: I usually cut loose any older wiring I come across because it is either in the way or could possibly be mistaken by the inspector for something I wired in.

Even with metal prices being way off their 2008 high, saving scrap enclosures and copper wire could very well pay for a cruise at the end of the year.
 
Adamjamma said:
but gee, what about the money you can make by stripping the wire and recycling it??? Leaving it in the walls for someone else to make the money from? Is it code compliant to leave the wire in the walls?
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Not sure if you're joking here. Romex weighs 0.057 pounds per foot. There's not even enough romex in a new 3,000sqft home to make it worth the effort. At least not if you're employed as an electrician

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al hildenbrand said:
The first four posts, in direct NEC response to the OP's question correctly answered it, "Yes." And the correct NEC citation was given.

THEN you started with "hazardous". You hijacked the thread from a NEC answer to your "opinion."

Post #5 was the end of the NEC thread.
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Yes I apparently "hijacked" the thread, or some might call it participating in a conversation. I gave my opinion, and made that clear. I did so cause the NEC response to this is a short answer. You can run a ground, there's not much more to it.


But there was a better conversation to be had on this subject than just what the NEC says. I come hear to read other people's opinions on the code. The NEC changes every three years, but best practices last forever.

This is the general electrical forum. Its meant to be a discussion, not a code class.

Also im pretty sure the opinions started when the 3rd poster said "why would you want to". So pass that "blame" up the line.

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I am actually joking but one of my first bosses was a jewish man who insisted that all the copper, nails, screws, etc, all come back at end of every day... if scrapped... in separate containers...He would even weigh us out every evening and note it in his book... then he would pour gas and light a match on the barrel of wire when it got full enough... claiming plastic was useless...

Few years later, visited him in Jersey and he had a new toy to show me... a machine that stripped the plastic off the wires... this was in mid eighties... but he had gotten in trouble for burning the insulation so he stripped it now, then melted the plastic into blocks... which his daughter decorated and sold at some flea market... He did not let a penny get by him...
If he was still alive now I bet the work vans would be required to get every PC they saw at any job site, because he would know exactly how to get the gold and silver out of them...
Always wondered if it had something to do with the numbers tatooed on his arm... that some now want to say was a lie by fake news...lol. He taught me a few things.
 
Way off topic, but what here is new?:lol:

Stripping out anything less than 250 MCM copper is a waste of time.

Throwing away 20 foot of removed or extra Romex may not seem like a lot, but multiply that by 200 times a year. you are either wasting material that could be run in another project from receptacle to receptacle, or wasting labor throwing it in a trash can when it could just as soon go into the truck or van.

I do not leave my scraps in a crawl space or attic, because it is not the way I was taught.

I did a Communications wiring demo in a hotel in 2007, and I made as much money on the scrap wire as I did in the labor to remove it. I would have made a ton more on the scrap, but we threw away probably 3 or 4 30 gallon Rubbermaid trash cans full of wire before we realized the scrap value.

And yeah, you cannot burn the insulation off of The wire/cable. Salvage places here will not even take it if it has been burned.
 
JFletcher said:
Throwing away 20 foot of removed or extra Romex may not seem like a lot, but multiply that by 300 times a year. you are either wasting material that could be run in another project from receptacle to receptacle, or wasting labor throwing it in a trash can when it could just as soon go into the truck or van.
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I do a lot of old work, in fact, that's about all I do. A 20 foot piece is a usable piece for me, whether it's jumping out recessed lights or a switched leg for a new light.
 
peter d said:
I do a lot of old work, in fact, that's about all I do. A 20 foot piece is a usable piece for me, whether it's jumping out recessed lights or a switched leg for a new light.
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JUST MY OPINION HERE - The majority of my work is residential service work. I would not feel comfortable charging a customer for "used" wire. I know that wire doesn't go bad, but you can never be to sure of the integrity of the insulation. I wouldn't like it If the hvac guy showed up to my house with used "but still good" ducts.

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WarrMann said:
JUST MY OPINION HERE - The majority of my work is residential service work. I would not feel comfortable charging a customer for "used" wire. I know that wire doesn't go bad, but you can never be to sure of the integrity of the insulation. I wouldn't like it If the hvac guy showed up to my house with used "but still good" ducts.
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Ok, you're just trolling now. I'm not engaging in any more discussion with you. Goodbye. :bye:
 
JFletcher said:
Such practices are why you are successful and still in business.
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:thumbsup:

When I worked for an EC that did mostly new resi, they would cut all the homeruns hanging at the panel and throw away those pieces. Many were usable length (15-25 feet) especially for a new house. Short pieces of 12/2 to jump between kitchen counter outlets and 14/2 to jump between outlets in bedrooms, etc. That always irked me to no end since it's such a colossal waste of both time and money.
 
peter d said:
Ok, you're just trolling now. I'm not engaging in any more discussion with you. Goodbye. :bye:
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Im not trolling. You've attacked my opinions as invalid, and argued with every point i've made. Even though you seem to agree with me that's its better to run new wiring than just a ground.

This is an electrical forum, not YouTube. People don't come here to troll. Im a fully licensed, second generation electrician with over 15 years of experience on my own. Why would i troll this forum?

If i was trolling, i would have flat out said that i think you're a cheapskate. You may choose not to engage with me anymore, but that shows you're not willing to accept that there is more than one way to run a cable. There's just something about you old timers.

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WarrMann said:
Im not trolling. You've attacked my opinions as invalid, and argued with every point i've made. Even though you seem to agree with me that's its better to run new wiring than just a ground.

This is an electrical forum, not YouTube. People don't come here to troll. Im a fully licensed, second generation electrician with over 15 years of experience on my own. Why would i troll this forum?

If i was trolling, i would have flat out said that i think you're a cheapskate. You may choose not to engage with me anymore, but that shows you're not willing to accept that there is more than one way to run a cable. There's just something about you old timers.
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Where did I say I would charge someone for a piece of used wire? You assumed that. Although if it was modern NM cable (romex, if you will) in good shape, I would gladly reuse it without a second thought.

Have you ever been to a surplus dealer to buy electrical equipment for a job? Most electricians have at some point. Charging for a used piece of anything, whether it's a piece of wire or a breaker, is not an issue for most of us.
 
peter d said:
Where did I say I would charge someone for a piece of used wire? You assumed that. Although if it was modern NM cable (romex, if you will) in good shape, I would gladly reuse it without a second thought.

Have you ever been to a surplus dealer to buy electrical equipment for a job? Most electricians have at some point. Charging for a used piece of anything, whether it's a piece of wire or a breaker, is not an issue for most of us.
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Now I'm trolling... you always give materials away on your jobs? You did say you would use that used wire for a job, right? Yes, i've been by some used EQUIPMENT dealers. All the used equipment is tested, and certified. Same with the wire, they put a megger on it before they resell. I have however never been to a used romex dealer. Romex and replacement buckets for an old ITE switchgear don't exactly fall in the same category. IN MY OPINION.

I look forward to running into you on future threads. Maybe ill say something that won't upset, offend, or cause financial anguish to you.

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peter d said:
:thumbsup:

When I worked for an EC that did mostly new resi, they would cut all the homeruns hanging at the panel and throw away those pieces. Many were usable length (15-25 feet) especially for a new house. Short pieces of 12/2 to jump between kitchen counter outlets and 14/2 to jump between outlets in bedrooms, etc. That always irked me to no end since it's such a colossal waste of both time and money.
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When I worked as a commercial communications wire jockey, my goal was 3% or less waste, which is less than 30 ft out of 1000 foot box or reel. It is obtainable but not easy to do when everything is a home run and there are no splices anywhere.

If a piece of Romex is 6 inch or longer, I can use it for jumpers.

I don't think that Peter D is old, and at 43, I certainly am not. I think he is actually younger than I.

I have always been about efficiency... Doing the job once, right the first time, and moving on. My call back rate and punch list items are practically zero... I detest punch list items, or doing a job twice when I'm barely getting paid do it the first time.

I'm not saying pick up every screw you see on the floor or advocating stripping out 14/2 scrap Romex, however considering all of this as waste is short-sighted in my opinion.
 
WarrMann said:
Now I'm trolling... you always give materials away on your jobs? You did say you would use that used wire for a job, right? Yes, i've been by some used EQUIPMENT dealers. All the used equipment is tested, and certified. Same with the wire, they put a megger on it before they resell. I have however never been to a used romex dealer. Romex and replacement buckets for an old ITE switchgear don't exactly fall in the same category. IN MY OPINION.

I look forward to running into you on future threads. Maybe ill say something that won't upset, offend, or cause financial anguish to you.
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You're actually concerned about using a piece of used romex? :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:Are you even an electrician? :?
 
I agree with Al, the question was answered correctly in the first five posts so we will leave it at that.

Roger
 
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