Oh, we forgot to mention the disposal??

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Ivsenroute ,Scott has opted to violate the code rather than to run a new circuit and bill for it appropriately.
 
donselec said:
However some areas require a disposal by Code, if so you might have to explain yourself on that one.
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There are now also areas that are banning the installation of disposals.

Probably next code cycle, in addition to being required to install a circuit for the possible installation of a microwave, we will also have to install a circuit for a future disposal. The fun will be when someone argues that point in a municipality that has, by ordinance, outlawed disposals. :smile:
 
M. D. said:
...Scott has opted to violate the code rather than to run a new circuit and bill for it appropriately.
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Did Scott violate the code? or did the homeowner?
If Scott told them it is OK, then both I guess.

Did the HO refuse to pay for a new circuit?
If they refuse the solution, should Scott call in the violation - that the HO is responsible for?
What's to stop the HO from overloading a circuit after the electrician did his job?


Scott, next time, beat it out of them!:wink: ...and make them buy a disposal.
 
hardworkingstiff said:
That is limited to "3-wire, single-phase service-entrance conductors, service-lateral conductors, and feeder conductors that serve as the main power feeder to each dweeling unit..... For application of this section, the main power feeder shall be the feeder between the main disconnect and the panbelboard that supplies, either by branch circuits or by feeders, or both, all the loads that are part or associated with the dweeling unit."

Since it is a sub-panel, it does not feed all the loads and cannot be used for the wire sizing.
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ok you got me. I guess I was wrong. But scott didn't need to use 1/0. He could have used #1 AL. What is a dweeling? :)
 
steelersman said:
..... What is a dweeling? :)
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A dwelling for a dweeb.
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wasasparky said:
Did Scott violate the code? or did the homeowner?......
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You tell me

electricmanscott said:
Under sink I have duplex for dishwasher on 15 amp circuit.

Disposal name plate says 10.2 amps. DW says max 9 amps.

There is absolutley no new circuit going in woth out major holes, patching and repainting.

What would you do?? ........

The 9 amp dw never went above 6 amps and when it was just runing through the cycle was just over 2. The higest combined ampere total was under 11 amps.

Plug 'em in....Done.





......The bottom line, reality in place of code, as I said the nameplates are way overinflated. There is no issue woth these two appliances sharinga 15 amp branch ciruit and that is how it's staying.
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I violated the code. I put the cords on both appliances and I plugged both of them in. Whoopee.

But seriously, you are welcome in my glass house anytime. Just don't throw stones. Oops...too late.

M.D. said:
Forgive me fellas,. for what I am about to do,... I am about to install an Individual branch circuit feeding an outlet for a little , old lady's air conditioner,.. and I intend to commit a violation of the Sacred Scratchings. It is purely based on the cost,.. her panel is pushmatic and she is poor... and quite frankly,.. so am I .. there will be no AFCI.

I am prepared fellas, for any act of contrition you so dispose upon me ...just not sit ups ,...I hate doing sit ups.. and oh yeah I can only do about 40 push ups in a row ,... and my knees don't allow for running any longer ,.. reading perhaps??,.. 210.12,... say 100 times ???
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electricmanscott said:
I violated the code. I put the cords on both appliances and I plugged both of them in. Whoopee.

But seriously, you are welcome in my glass house anytime. Just don't throw stones. Oops...too late.
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Hey Scott ,..chill out ,..this page is called National Electric Code ,.. I was simply pointing out ,. that while not the end of the world ,.. this is in fact a non compliant installation and unless that cord on the dishwasher was supplied by the manufacturer ... there might just be another violation to tack on :smile:

I have and will in the future knowingly violate the NEC and , like you and everyone else ,..... I justify it
 
stickboy1375 said:
You guys kill me, but at least its entertaining... I'm with Scott all the way on this one.... must be a New England thing.
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not quite. I'm not in New England and I'm also with Scott on this. It's no big deal to plug them both into the same circuit. Worse that should happen is the breaker trips if it can't handle the load, but it sounds like that won't be an issue.
 
prh1700 said:
AND if we ASSUME all this in our bid, who ends up getting the job?
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Clearly this is a situation beyond getting the job as the OP stated, can I assume that thought?

Originally Posted by cadpoint
Frankly, MO, (And I've read enough here) (( not that it qualifies me)) its no different than any other device that the owner missed in the design of their house, A fan, A three conductor circuit for the Fan, Dimmers on the back lite wall, or Spot Lights in the (missed) "Exact" place.
Come on its endless....

Ok, so I don't bid work, I don't work for myself.

I can only hope that the OP will know what to do, when a customer adds to their design. Depending on the chore it might well be endless in a time frame of new construction, I do know that!

There's been quite a few postive comments on getting the owner involved or of the postive aspects to "get'r done", (or use your favorite phrase),
which should equate to the proper interaction with the/a client!

Your summary of my post, well let me just assume something else!

Oh and welcome to the Forum!
 
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