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cadpoint said:
Clearly this is a situation beyond getting the job as the OP stated, can I assume that thought?

Originally Posted by cadpoint
Frankly, MO, (And I've read enough here) (( not that it qualifies me)) its no different than any other device that the owner missed in the design of their house, A fan, A three conductor circuit for the Fan, Dimmers on the back lite wall, or Spot Lights in the (missed) "Exact" place.
Come on its endless....

Ok, so I don't bid work, I don't work for myself.

I can only hope that the OP will know what to do, when a customer adds to their design. Depending on the chore it might well be endless in a time frame of new construction, I do know that!

There's been quite a few postive comments on getting the owner involved or of the postive aspects to "get'r done", (or use your favorite phrase),
which should equate to the proper interaction with the/a client!

Your summary of my post, well let me just assume something else!

Oh and welcome to the Forum!
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What i was trying to say is that there are a lot of times when all we have is the print to go by to bid, and we don't get the luxury of sitting down with the owner to be. The question trail might look like this...Electrician to GC to A&E to maybe a designer then to the homeowner. By that time the sheetrock is ready for paint.There are a lot of GC's that don't want you to talk to the owner. They want to be able to put their 20% markup on the extras you are prudently asking about. So, in the bidding phase, if you decide to be the nice guy and add all this really cool stuff, the guy who bid the job by strictly following the lines and pretty symbols is going to get the job, and the oppurtunity to go for the extras.

My bids are turned in along with a Memo for record asking right then and there about the things we think might want to be added.

Sorry if my response earlier wasn't what I meant to say. [I feel like I should say lets go to dinner, honey]
 
stickboy1375 said:
ok, I'll bite, why should he run anything bigger than that?
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I mentioned earlier in this thread that I have seen dish washers with a draw of over 13 amps thats why I would run a 12-3. I see why (glene77is) would ask the question. How would you know what the draw would be unless you had the cut sheet before hand.
 
If I understand things correctly, a dedicated circuit to the refrigerator would be allowed to be #14. I think I would also run it in a #12.

Edit: I'm talking custom homes, not tract housing or condos.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Its legal till that new frig sits there with a spec of dedicated 20
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If you can show me one modern refrigerator that requires a dedicated 20 amp circuit, I will fly down to Florida and buy you the finest meal at the restaurant of your choice.


PS. This offer expires one minute from posting. :D
 
peter d said:
In that case a dishwasher may very well require a 20 amp circuit, though I have not seen one yet that has. I always run a 15 amp circuit to a dishwasher.
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About the only undercounter dishwashers I've ever run into that truly require a 20 amp circuit are certain Hobart undercounter models. Most of them are 240, but they have a few specially made as glasswashers for bar areas that are 120V, 20A. Thermador has or had a model that had a max draw of around 16-17 amps, but it doesn't seem to be on their website presently. I like to run a 20A to the dish machine because it gives me a good jumping off place to steal a few amps for changes, with good access behind the dishwasher to several stud bays for easier fishing.
 
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