Oh, we forgot to mention the disposal??

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mdshunk said:
About the only undercounter dishwashers I've ever run into that truly require a 20 amp circuit are certain Hobart undercounter models. Most of them are 240, but they have a few specially made as glasswashers for bar areas that are 120V, 20A.
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That sounds like commercial stuff, no? I've never heard of a Hobart appliance for resi use. :confused:
 
What number are we bouncing around now ?

You can't load a Circuit above 80%, if otherwise add 125% for the conductors of the circuit, not the breaker.

Protect the wire, breaker the service!
 
peter d said:
That sounds like commercial stuff, no? I've never heard of a Hobart appliance for resi use. :confused:
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The undercounter models have a little bit of crossover, but you're right. Hobart is a commercial brand. People like to brag about crap like that. Sorta like the Wolf and Viking ranges popular in a resi kitchen lately. I did one that had glass door Traulson fridges for a designer lady. Some people do a really nice entire kitchen remodel for what that lady spent on those fridges.
 
peter d said:
If you can show me one modern refrigerator that requires a dedicated 20 amp circuit, I will fly down to Florida and buy you the finest meal at the restaurant of your choice.


PS. This offer expires one minute from posting. :D
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SUB ZERO and they will require it. Now send me by whopper LOL. It simply is not worth getting burned on a final over something like this
 
I just paged through the entire Sub-Z spec book, and all their models now say 15 amp circuit. That's a change, for sure. They were pretty much all 20 amp until I don't know when. The spec guide now shows no model in their lineup that requires greater than a 15 amp.
 
peter d said:
I haven't found any Sub Zero's or Vikings online that require a 20 amp circuit....they say dedicated 15 amp circuit.
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I haven't either, and I can tell you for certain that this is fairly recent. They all needed a 20 amp circuit to themselves in the not too distant past. The closest thing I've found still in some resi use are certain Traulsen models at 14.9 amps, but that's a truly commercial product that has some resi use. Sub-Z and Viking are built specially for the high end resi market.
 
Having not wired a house in 5 years it is possable they have lowered the amps. No big deal ,if they show up with an older model just swap out the breaker for a 20, problem solved.
 
I did not read all 16 pages.

Put a single recpt. under the sink with a cord for the dishwasher and a cord for the disposal. Let them change it to a duplex after you leave.
 
We wire all recep circuits with #12 this includes kitchen receps. Anything other than lighting is in #12.
I do alot of kitchen remodels. I always ask questions and push for tech specs on appliances as well as cabinet specs.
Things that are common in kitchens are disposals , so if this is something left out, I will ask about it and wire fore it regardless.
I always try and anticipate the homeowner, saves me a headache at the end.
Sometimes you got to play the designer as well as the electrical installer.
For me,, I know my GC's personaly and have done work for them on the side. They look to me for information and trust my judgement when I make a call for something.
 
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