old 2 wire romex

[steelersman]

If it's caught during rough, you just tell them, and they should re-run it. If you do it, charge 'em.

If it's not caught until trim, you say "Good luck," and/or give them a price for you to re-run it.

Something off topic here, but how do you quote just part of what someone said as you just did Larry? Do you do it under the quick reply buton?

 

[LarryFine]

. . . how do you quote just part of what someone said as you just did Larry? Do you do it under the quick reply buton?

No, you just hit the little

in the lower-right corner of the post you want to quote. Remove whatever you don't want in the quote, and don't alter the stuff between the ['s and the ]'s.

 

[480sparky]

....... Remove whatever you don't want in the quote, .......

It also helps, if you edit the original quote, to let everyone know you did so..... as seen above.

 

[LarryFine]

It also helps, if you edit the original quote, to let everyone know you did so..... as seen above.

Like I did?

. . . how do you quote just part of what someone said as you just did Larry? Do you do it under the quick reply buton?

 

[MichaelGP3]

Just slightly off topic.....Anyone here ever seen the lead sheathed 2 wire 'romex' that was surface run? I pulled some of this out of a house during a service upgrade. Original house built in the 1920's was K & T, this stuff I'm talking was installed where the house was extended sometime in the 1950's maybe. It was obviously pulled off a reel and 'shaped' (by hand?)......Nasty......

 

[steelersman]

Just slightly off topic.....Anyone here ever seen the lead sheathed 2 wire 'romex' that was surface run? I pulled some of this out of a house during a service upgrade. Original house built in the 1920's was K & T, this stuff I'm talking was installed where the house was extended sometime in the 1950's maybe. It was obviously pulled off a reel and 'shaped' (by hand?)......Nasty......

Yes I've seen that stuff just once I think. I was doing a service change from fuses to breakers in D.C. (a little rowhouse) and some of the homeruns were that lead stuff. This service was also strange in that the meter was inside and attatched to the fuse box. Very odd I thought.

 

[fireryan]

we usually put in non grounding receptacles when there is no ground present

 

[SEO]

Just slightly off topic.....Anyone here ever seen the lead sheathed 2 wire 'romex' that was surface run?
Yes I have seen it. They also used to install it underground.

 

[LarryFine]

Anyone here ever seen the lead sheathed 2 wire 'romex' that was surface run?

I have, too, and only once. It was at an old corner store w/gas pump. I believe it was run underground, like UF. I remember there being fine white strands of thread inside the sheath.

 

[mdshunk]

Just slightly off topic.....Anyone here ever seen the lead sheathed 2 wire 'romex' that was surface run?

Yeah, there's a good bit of that still in barns.

 

[MichaelGP3]

What is that called? Seen from a distance, it looked like 500 series wiremold....

What is that called? Seen from a distance, it looked like 500 series wiremold....

I have, too, and only once. It was at an old corner store w/gas pump. I believe it was run underground, like UF. I remember there being fine white strands of thread inside the sheath.

That was to cover the manufacturer in case the lead poisoning didn't get you, the asbestosis would.......

 

[MF Dagger]

It seems to me that I have encountered that stuff but cannot quite place it. Kinda like saving some oddball part in "a spot you won't forget". Usually those are the toughest to remember 5 or 6 years later when you need that part.

 

[brian john]

When nonmetallic-sheathed cable came on the scene I'm guessing late thirties or early fortys it did not have a ground. Ground wire was added Im guessing again around the early to mid fifties and it was a reduced ground. Full sized ground wire came about in mid to late sixtys along with the infamous alumium nonmetallic-sheathed cable. All dates are aprox.

I know of houses wired in the fifties with two wire NM. Not sure when it hit the code any of our NEC historians?

 

[LarryFine]

Not only have I worked in plenty of homes with non-EGC cable, I've seen some where the home-run from the panel has an EGC, runs to the bathroom light and switch, and changes over to non-EGC cable for the rest of the circuit.

I know this because of an extensive bath remodel I wired. No doubt the switches and receptacles near the kitchen sink were wired the same way.

 

[mdshunk]

If there's nothing metal in a particular room, grounded by some means, I'm not really even sure I can tell you what benefit the EGC is providing. The mere presence of an EGC can, in some instances, create a hazard that otherwise might not have existed.

 

[steelersman]

Not only have I worked in plenty of homes with non-EGC cable, I've seen some where the home-run from the panel has an EGC, runs to the bathroom light and switch, and changes over to non-EGC cable for the rest of the circuit.

Yes this house I was in was just like that. Some of the circuits had an EGC in the homerun and maybe even past that to a few more outlets and then changed over to no EGC. Weird I thought. Also notice that I finally figured out how to quote just part of a post.

 

[LarryFine]

Also notice that I finally figured out how to quote just part of a post.

"Myagi have hope for you!"​

 

[electricalperson]

See it all the time. You HAVE to protect the two-wire by ground fault protection per code.

massachusetts deletes the section of gfci protection on ungrounded circuits as a replacement receptacle. they also deleted the section of ways to install an EGC. we cant fish in a #12 and clamp it to a water pipe or whatever we need to rewire.

i have to admit that sometimes i still replace 2 wire receptacles with gfci's when fishing would require holes in the walls

 

[electricalperson]

Yes this house I was in was just like that. Some of the circuits had an EGC in the homerun and maybe even past that to a few more outlets and then changed over to no EGC. Weird I thought. Also notice that I finally figured out how to quote just part of a post.

2 wire romex with no EGC is pretty common. the old romex that does have the egc is always a number 16 awg conductor. usually its not even terminated to a box its just boston backwrapped.

 

[steelersman]

"Myagi have hope for you!"​

Thank you Mr. Miyagi. I suddenly feel uplifted.