Cavie
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- SW Florida
There is no FL amendment.
Outdoor Hot Tub 680.26(B)(7) bond metal rain gutters?
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There is no FL amendment.
Cavie
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- SW Florida
They don't have a list of thing to pick from. Anything made of metal under 4 Sq" within 5' of the pool get's bonded. Period. I just did what I was told. The man with the paycheck makes the rules like it or not.
Jim W in Tampa
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- Tampa Florida
Maybe i am reading it wrong but i take it say any metal parts within 5 feet too. What they are trying to do is stop you from reaching any accidently live metal parts while in hot tub or pool.
M. D.
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They hang their hats on non-existing code language??
M. D.
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Live metal parts , bonding is not about live metal parts...
Volta
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- Columbus, Ohio
680.26(B)(7): "... and all fixed metal parts ..."
Why do you feel that the NEC section covers metal fences, but not other fixed metal parts?
It sure does happen that gutters become energized.
True, but it knd of is. Just not intentionally live, of course.
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- Massachusetts
IMO that applies only to Metal Wiring Methods and Equipment.
A downspout is not electrical.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
I guess the 4" square is your bosses decisions also. I don't get why the AHJ is allowed so much leeway. Personally I think there is alot of abuse of power because of this. If you read it as all metal parts then why add 4sq. inches to the equation.
Jim W in Tampa said:
As I stated before did you read the heading of what you are quoting. You must take it in context of the sectin it pertains to. The heading states metal wiring methods and Equipment and somehow you keep going back to the sentence under that section and say it means all metal parts. It means all metal parts associated with metal wiring methods and equipment not just all metal parts.
Again if that is the case do you bond every nail. Yes, I am being ridiculous but I am trying to make a point. You can't just take what you feel is right out of it.
Perhaps that is the case but that is not what bonding is about. Do you bond windows and door frames that are metal. What about a door knob? Again, no picking and choosing-- either do them all or you are making up your own image of what needs to be done.
Cavie
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(5) Metal Fittings is where they get the 4" from. That exempts your nails
I wasn't going to go there but yes, metal framed windows and doors get bonded weather new construction or remodel. Door knobs get the 4" exemption.
ANY METAL within 5' of the pool that is over 4 SQ".get's bonded.
Jim W in Tampa
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- Tampa Florida
(5) Metal Fittings is where they get the 4" from. That exempts your nails
I wasn't going to go there but yes, metal framed windows and doors get bonded weather new construction or remodel. Door knobs get the 4" exemption.
get's bonded.
Curious how would you handle a steel door in a wood frame ?
M. D.
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(5) Metal Fittings is where they get the 4" from. That exempts your nails
I wasn't going to go there but yes, metal framed windows and doors get bonded weather new construction or remodel. Door knobs get the 4" exemption.
get's bonded.
Metal fittings
All metal fittings within or attached to the pool structure shall be bonded. Isolated parts not over 4" in any dimension and do not penetrate the pool structure more than 1" shall not require bonding.
This applies only to metal fittings within or attached to the pool structure
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- Massachusetts
Good question.
I was wondering if I park my rider mower near the hot tub will it need to be bonded?
Volta
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- Columbus, Ohio
Certainly not, if everything goes according to plan :grin:.
So what do you think is meant by "metal piping"?
Electrical installations do not include 'piping'. Tubing, conduits, other raceways, sure, but not pipe, unless driven as an electrode.
What do they mean then?
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- Massachusetts
I think I may have argued the other side of this sometime in the past.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
Does that mean you have come over to the far side.I think I may have argued the other side of this sometime in the past.
Volta, metal piping could be gas pipes that are associated with the tub or in the vicinity (5'). Perhaps a water spigot that is within 5' would be another piping but, IMO not a downspout.
M. D.
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(7) Metal Wiring Methods and Equipment. Metal-sheathed cables and raceways, metal piping, and all fixed metal parts shall be bonded to the equipotential grid.
The "metal piping" could be part of the equipment we are wiring .
Volta
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- Columbus, Ohio
True, but are not electrical equipment.Does that mean you have come over to the far side.
Volta, metal piping could be gas pipes that are associated with the tub or in the vicinity (5').
All I'm thinking is that if some non-associated metal piping (spigot) is subject to this section, why not other fixed metal parts (spouts)?
Yes, but IMO it could also be equipment that we are not wiring.
Funny, when I started this first post I thought I was going to take Dennis' view, but then read it differently than I remembered it. I'll have to look at it again tomorrow and see how I feel :roll:.I think I may have argued the other side of this sometime in the past.
M. D.
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Equipment
A general term, including material, fittings, devices, appliances, apparatus, machinery, and the like used as a part of or in connection with, an electrical installation.
elohr46
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Or a metal gutter attached to a wood facia board.
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