LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
- Location
- Henrico County, VA
- Occupation
- Electrical Contractor
No, that peninsula abuts a wall-cabinet countertop, and the dotted line is clearly definable.
Peninsula Receptacle
- Thread starter titan1021
- Start date
- Status
jumper
Senior Member
- Location
- 3 Hr 2 Min from Winged Horses
Okay, slice the 6" ell off on the right and it is what?
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
- Location
- Henrico County, VA
- Occupation
- Electrical Contractor
An ell of a slice?
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
- Occupation
- Retired Electrical Contractor
Cna't y'all jsut amdit you'er wrnog.An ell of a slice?
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
- Occupation
- Retired Electrical Contractor
I just now see what Derek was getting at. That is even more convincing. Lop of the 6" of cabinet leave the fridge and what do you say?
Hey Derek you convinced me. :grin:
Hey Derek you convinced me. :grin:
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
- Location
- Henrico County, VA
- Occupation
- Electrical Contractor
If we thought we was, we would.Cna't y'all jsut amdit you'er wrnog.
But, becuz we ain't, we ain't.
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
- Occupation
- Retired Electrical Contractor
I knew you wouldn't concede but I'll post it anyway. :grin:
mcclary's electrical
Senior Member
- Location
- VA
I knew you wouldn't concede but I'll post it anyway. :grin:
The one the end of the penninsula is a waste of money and not required by the NEC
jumper
Senior Member
- Location
- 3 Hr 2 Min from Winged Horses
That's funny, you convinced me when you pointed out the double standard people were using in measuring cabinets.:grin:
At one point people are saying its the edge of a connecting cabinet and then they are saying it is the wall.:-?
mcclary's electrical
Senior Member
- Location
- VA
In both those instances you just mentioned, only one receptacle is needed for the penninsula.
The NEC clearly defines where they seperate.
The NEC does not make us "seperate" again,,,if there is ONLY a penninsula there. You can't take a requirement from (2) seperate items (1) being a countertop and (1) being a penninsula,,,,then bundle them together and "apply" them to (1) single penninsula item,,,the NEC doesn't work that way no matter how mant different pictures you post.
jumper
Senior Member
- Location
- 3 Hr 2 Min from Winged Horses
If we thought we was, we would.
But, becuz we ain't, we ain't.
Maybe ya ain't, but IMHO, yessum ya is.:grin: Y'all picken 2 different demarkation points .
mcclary's electrical
Senior Member
- Location
- VA
At least ours is an NEC recognoized demarcation point,,,,,no body on your side can even agree on where this "imaginary line" should be drawn.
jumper
Senior Member
- Location
- 3 Hr 2 Min from Winged Horses
In the picture I posted, is the section (B) a counter top or a pennisula?
mcclary's electrical
Senior Member
- Location
- VA
Call it the green on hole #9 and it doesn't change anything, 1 is required there either way
- Location
- Lockport, IL
- Occupation
- Semi-Retired Electrical Engineer
There is no demarcation point recognized by the NEC. Why should you think there is?
- Location
- Lockport, IL
- Occupation
- Semi-Retired Electrical Engineer
Since I cannot stand at the location of the letter "s" in "peninsula," and from that location do any work at the counter space between that location and the back wall, then I do not consider the space between that location and the back wall to constitute a 210.52(C)(1) area. You have a 210.52(C)(3) space, and that is all you have. The NEC does not define the terms associated with this discussion, so we must go to industry standards or to Websters, whatever we can find. If you say "kitchen countertop" to almost everyone in the country, the thing they are going to envision is a space that would give them the ability to stand where I described, and to use that countertop space from that location.
wwhitney
Senior Member
- Location
- Berkeley, CA
- Occupation
- Retired
By that logic, in the original configuration with the 6" ell, there is no wall receptacle required, because there is only a 6" wall countertop space, and 210.52(C)(1) only requires a receptacle for a wall countertop space that is 12" or wider. Is that your position?
Cheers, Wayne
mcclary's electrical
Senior Member
- Location
- VA
There is no demarcation point recognized by the NEC. Why should you think there is?
Definately the wrong word,,,but I was copying jumpers post,,,,,The NEC clearly talks of the adjoining edge, never mentions a line as they try to imply
Last edited:
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
- Occupation
- Retired Electrical Contractor
It is clear that the adjoining edge is where the peninsula touches the base cabinet. It does not call the wall the adjoining edge.
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
- Occupation
- Retired Electrical Contractor
You can stand on the other side besides you cannot stand in front of the base cabinet has nothing to do with the situation. Everyone seems to agrees that a second recep is needed on the peninsula when there is an adjoining counter. You cannot stand there either.
- Status