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Can u just have one rec on a peninsula countertop that is app. 5 ft in length and is occupied by a sink and has a backsplash?

IMO, 210.52C4 says the sink creates two separate countertop spaces so I always assumed the 24" rule applied. So I have had the cabinet guys cut out for recs on each side of the sink in the backsplash since there is no other place to mount the recs. This seems to frustrate the cabinet guys and creates friction.

Am I interpreting this wrong? The reason I ask is because I have been on several service calls lately in homes (they all passed final inspection) that were built with in the last year and all they have is a rec on the end, below the coutertop. This is how I do it if there is no sink.

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jcole said:
Can u just have one rec on a peninsula countertop that is app. 5 ft in length and is occupied by a sink and has a backsplash?

IMO, 210.52C4 says the sink creates two separate countertop spaces so I always assumed the 24" rule applied. So I have had the cabinet guys cut out for recs on each side of the sink in the backsplash since there is no other place to mount the recs. This seems to frustrate the cabinet guys and creates friction.

Am I interpreting this wrong? The reason I ask is because I have been on several service calls lately in homes (they all passed final inspection) that were built with in the last year and all they have is a rec on the end, below the coutertop. This is how I do it if there is no sink.

Comments please.
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You only need 1 receptacle to be installed on a peninsular. The sink does not matter when installed in a peninsular. So 210.52(c)3
 
J Cole, I agree with your read of 210.52(C)(4). That section specifically references (2) & (3), meaning peninsulas and islands have to comply with it. The sink effectively creates a peninsula and an island from what we'd normally call a "peninsula".

Generally, there is no backsplash on a peninsula when this problem occurs, and generally, in my experience, there is an overhang over 12", precluding cutting a receptacle into the cabinet to serve the purpose.

Thankfully, when these circumstances transpire, the requirement for the receptacle is largely ignored by the inspector. It is a no-win situation to try to comply in this situation, IMO.

One interesting note: Does the presense of a backsplash create "Wall Counter Space", moving this entire chunk of counter into needing to comply with the 2'/4' rule of 210.52(C)(1)? ;)
 
jcole said:
Can u just have one rec on a peninsula countertop that is app. 5 ft in length and is occupied by a sink and has a backsplash?

IMO, 210.52C4 says the sink creates two separate countertop spaces so I always assumed the 24" rule applied. So I have had the cabinet guys cut out for recs on each side of the sink in the backsplash since there is no other place to mount the recs. This seems to frustrate the cabinet guys and creates friction.

Am I interpreting this wrong? The reason I ask is because I have been on several service calls lately in homes (they all passed final inspection) that were built with in the last year and all they have is a rec on the end, below the coutertop. This is how I do it if there is no sink.

Comments please.
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Only one receptacle is required based on the information provided. As per 210.52(C)(3).
 
georgestolz said:
One interesting note: Does the presense of a backsplash create "Wall Counter Space", moving this entire chunk of counter into needing to comply with the 2'/4' rule of 210.52(C)(1)? ;)
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No, don't confuse a wall with a backsplash. Next thing you know a light pole will be a seperate structure and the wood pole on it will need to be bonded.
 
The sink creates a seperate countertop therefore requireing a recptical on both sides of the sink. If you have an island, you need one receptical. Put a sink in it and you now have seperate spaces and need 2 recticals. A Peninsular can have one on the connecting edge if is within 2' of the sink. If not, it goes in the backsplash. (4) Separate Spaces does not have an exception for peninsular countertops. The counter guy gets paid to cut holes. Don't feel sorry for him.
 
Cavie said:
The sink creates a seperate countertop therefore requireing a recptical on both sides of the sink. If you have an island, you need one receptical. Put a sink in it and you now have seperate spaces and need 2 recticals. A Peninsular can have one on the connecting edge if is within 2' of the sink. If not, it goes in the backsplash. (4) Separate Spaces does not have an exception for peninsular countertops. The counter guy gets paid to cut holes. Don't feel sorry for him.
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The code only requires one receptacle on a peninsula. 210.52(C)(3) doesn't say anything about a sink or otherwise. Therfore only one receptacle is required. You can certainly put more, but it's not a code issue.
 
pipemaster and pismo
Only one receptacle is required based on the information provided. As per 210.52(C)(3).
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You only need 1 receptacle to be installed on a peninsular. The sink does not matter when installed in a peninsular. So 210.52(c)3
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The code only requires one receptacle on a peninsula. 210.52(C)(3) doesn't say anything about a sink or otherwise. Therfore only one receptacle is required. You can certainly put more, but it's not a code issue.
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There are words in the code book and if you would take the time to read all of them, you just might get a correct answer once in a while.
(3) Peninsular Counter Spaces At least one receptacle outlet shall be installed at each peninsular counter space with a long dimension of 600 mm (24 in.) or greater and a short dimension of 300 mm (12 in.) or greater. A peninsular countertop is measured from the connecting edge.
(4) Separate Spaces Countertop spaces separated by rangetops, refrigerators, or sinks shall be considered as separate countertop spaces in applying the requirements of 210.52(C)(1), (C)(2), and (C)(3).
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Don
 
Cavie said:
The sink creates a seperate countertop therefore requireing a recptical on both sides of the sink. If you have an island, you need one receptical. Put a sink in it and you now have seperate spaces and need 2 recticals. A Peninsular can have one on the connecting edge if is within 2' of the sink. If not, it goes in the backsplash. (4) Separate Spaces does not have an exception for peninsular countertops. The counter guy gets paid to cut holes. Don't feel sorry for him.
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Your are not correct. These are what they an island and a peninsular. How can it be all 3 a counter top/island/peninsular/seperate structure and light pole. see 210.52(c)3
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
pipemaster and pismo



There are words in the code book and if you would take the time to read all of them, you just might get a correct answer once in a while.

Don
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I read it all. You are trying to apply a section that does not apply. 210.52(C)(3) deals with peninsulas. It clearly states only one receptacle. I would only put one unless the owner wants additional receps. If we use your way of thinking then perhaps the kitchen would be a classified area because there is flammable liquids. Where does it end? I am absolutely correct. Thanks for your input.
 
Not that anyone cares what I think, but I read 210.52(C) as saying that countertops described in (1) through (4) have the requirements listed there, not that one stops at the first description that matches.

Secondly, my copy doesn't say "only one" for 210.52(C)(3), it says "At least one", which means (to me ...) that if the 24" rule would require more than one, you have to install more than one. 210.52(C)(4) says the sink creates a separate space, so it's two spaces -- a penisular contertop and an island.
 
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pipemaster said:
No, don't confuse a wall with a backsplash. Next thing you know a light pole will be a seperate structure and the wood pole on it will need to be bonded.
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An island or a penninsular has a flat surface not a backsplash,as soon as the backsplash is added it changes what it is.

I have always spaced island counter tops with a back splash as if they were a wall.What if you had a U shaped island with a backsplash along the entire length.For argument sake there are no breaks in the surface would you space it in accordance with 210.52 C 3 and install only one receptacle.Or in accordance with 210.52 B 1 and maintain 12/24 spacing requirements.Not sure of where you are but here if you tried to use the argument that it`s a penninsular and there is a back splash you`d be retrofitting for receptacles when tagged.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Pismo,

Then I can only assume that either your code book doesn't have 210.52(C)(4) or that you don't know what the words in that section mean.
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It does. Please read my entire post and you'll see what I'm saying. 210.52(C)(3) is for peninsulas. 210.52(C)(4) is Seperate spaces not peninsulas. As I said, I would only (as per code) install one. I hope that helps.
 
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