pigtailing or back stabbing outlets

pigtailing or back stabbing outlets

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mdshunk said:
Yeah, and I wish you'd get out of my road so I can work on the panel:

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And there is an equipotential bond here, right?
 
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I'm really an anarchist....I use Wago's and backstab. Have NEVER had a problem. That UL listing means something to me.
 
Backstabbing is a guaranteed trouble call in the future. And those who are using those push locks or whatever they are called, I recently had to go through a whole recep circuit on a house that was only 3 yrs old and correct every opening. There is not enough surface area making contact thus creating heat on a loaded circuit which in turns causes failure.

UL listed, fine, but like I said, guaranteed trouble call and from what I have seen on these trouble calls, possible fire hazzard.
 
George Stolz said:
Why? ............
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I spend as much time as I can doing rough-in. I hate taking any more time than necessary for trim. I already have to make-up conductors in a box, so why not pigtail them and have the minimum number of conductors to a device so I can beat feet during trim?
 
aftershock said:
Backstabbing is a guaranteed trouble call in the future. And those who are using those push locks or whatever they are called, I recently had to go through a whole recep circuit on a house that was only 3 yrs old and correct every opening. There is not enough surface area making contact thus creating heat on a loaded circuit which in turns causes failure.

UL listed, fine, but like I said, guaranteed trouble call and from what I have seen on these trouble calls, possible fire hazzard.
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It is not a guaranteed trouble call in the future. Have you seen a fire start at one of those stabbed connections due to the circuit being constantly under load? I doubt it. I know I've very rarely seen them come back out of the stabs. Very rare. I used them in my own home and have trimmed out many many many homes this way and never any problems. Maybe there are alot of people that don't stab the wires in properly, or strip out enough insulation first, or push the wire all the way into the stabhole. If they were a fire hazard then they wouldn't be UL approved and manufactured that way. I'm not trying persuade people into using these stabs as I could care less how others do it. But it's UL tested safe so I like the stabs.
 
my log in the fire...

my log in the fire...

Why not use both ?


From the 2008 ul white book page 295.

TERMINALS
Terminals of 15 and 20 A receptacles not marked ??CO/ALR?? are for use
with copper and copper-clad aluminum conductors only.
Terminals marked??CO/ALR?? are for use with aluminum, copper and copper-clad aluminum
conductors.

Terminals of receptacles rated 30 A and above not marked ??AL-CU?? are
for use with copper conductors only.

Terminals of receptacles rated 30 A and above marked ??AL-CU?? are for use
with aluminum, copper and copper-clad aluminum conductors.

Terminals marked ??75 C?? may be wired using the ampacities for conductors
rated 75?C as well as conductors rated 60?C in Table 310.16 of the NEC.
Terminals of the wire-binding screw, setscrew, or screw-actuated back
wired clamping types are suitable for use with both solid and stranded
building wires.

Screwless terminal connectors of the conductor push-in type (also known
as ??push-in-terminals??) are restricted to 15 A branch circuits and are for
connection with 14 AWG solid copper wire only. They are not intended for
use with aluminum or copper-clad aluminum wire, 14 AWG stranded copper
wire, or 12 AWG solid or stranded copper wire.

Single and duplex receptacles rated 15 and 20 A that are provided with
more than one set of terminals for the connection of line and neutral conductors
have been investigated to feed branch-circuit conductors connected
to other outlets on a multi-outlet branch circuit, as follows:

Back wire (screw actuated clamp type) terminations with multiple wire
access holes used concurrently to terminate more than one conductor

Side wire (binding screw) terminals used CONCURRENTLY with their
respective push-in (screwless) terminations to terminate more than one
conductor

Single and duplex receptacles rated 15 and 20 A that are provided with
more than one set of terminals for the connection of line and neutral conductors
have not been investigated to feed branch-circuit conductors connected to
other outlets on a multi-outlet branch circuit, as follows:

Side wire (binding screw) terminal with its associated back wire (screw
actuated clamp type) terminal .

Multiple conductors under a single binding screw Multiple conductors
in a single back wire hole

Duplex receptacles rated 15 and 20 A that are provided with break off tabs
may have those tabs removed so that the two receptacles may be wired in a
multi-wire branch circuit.
 
shockare said:
Why not use both ?


From the 2008 ul white book page 295.

TERMINALS
Terminals of 15 and 20 A receptacles not marked ??CO/ALR?? are for use
with copper and copper-clad aluminum conductors only.
Terminals marked??CO/ALR?? are for use with aluminum, copper and copper-clad aluminum
conductors.

Terminals of receptacles rated 30 A and above not marked ??AL-CU?? are
for use with copper conductors only.

Terminals of receptacles rated 30 A and above marked ??AL-CU?? are for use
with aluminum, copper and copper-clad aluminum conductors.

Terminals marked ??75 C?? may be wired using the ampacities for conductors
rated 75?C as well as conductors rated 60?C in Table 310.16 of the NEC.
Terminals of the wire-binding screw, setscrew, or screw-actuated back
wired clamping types are suitable for use with both solid and stranded
building wires.

Screwless terminal connectors of the conductor push-in type (also known
as ??push-in-terminals??) are restricted to 15 A branch circuits and are for
connection with 14 AWG solid copper wire only. They are not intended for
use with aluminum or copper-clad aluminum wire, 14 AWG stranded copper
wire, or 12 AWG solid or stranded copper wire.

Single and duplex receptacles rated 15 and 20 A that are provided with
more than one set of terminals for the connection of line and neutral conductors
have been investigated to feed branch-circuit conductors connected
to other outlets on a multi-outlet branch circuit, as follows:

Back wire (screw actuated clamp type) terminations with multiple wire
access holes used concurrently to terminate more than one conductor

Side wire (binding screw) terminals used CONCURRENTLY with their
respective push-in (screwless) terminations to terminate more than one
conductor

Single and duplex receptacles rated 15 and 20 A that are provided with
more than one set of terminals for the connection of line and neutral conductors
have not been investigated to feed branch-circuit conductors connected to
other outlets on a multi-outlet branch circuit, as follows:

Side wire (binding screw) terminal with its associated back wire (screw
actuated clamp type) terminal .

Multiple conductors under a single binding screw Multiple conductors
in a single back wire hole

Duplex receptacles rated 15 and 20 A that are provided with break off tabs
may have those tabs removed so that the two receptacles may be wired in a
multi-wire branch circuit.
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cool.....:)
 
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