ppe question?

[big john]

Why would you buy Class 1 gloves for working on 480V? Class 00 gloves are very thin and pffer high dexterity, and are rated for 500V.

I've only ever seen three companies that supplied insulated gloves (including the one where I am now), none of them did medium voltage work, and every one of them had purchased those gall-durn Class 1 gloves fitted for Andre The Giant.

I have to wonder if that's just what comes with most arc-flash kits. Who knows?

-John

 

[BryKey]

OK BryKey:

What makes someone qualified?

Qualified person. One who has received training in and has demonstrated skills and knowledge in the construction and operation of electric equipment and installations and the hazards involved.

Note 1 to the definition of "qualified person:" Whether an employee is considered to be a "qualified person" will depend upon various circumstances in the workplace. For example, it is possible and, in fact, likely for an individual to be considered "qualified" with regard to certain equipment in the workplace, but "unqualified" as to other equipment. (See 1910.332(b)(3) for training requirements that specifically apply to qualified persons.)

Note 2 to the definition of "qualified person:" An employee who is undergoing on-the-job training and who, in the course of such training, has demonstrated an ability to perform duties safely at his or her level of training and who is under the direct supervision of a qualified person is considered to be a qualified person for the performance of those duties.

 

[zog]

I've only ever seen three companies that supplied insulated gloves (including the one where I am now), none of them did medium voltage work, and every one of them had purchased those gall-durn Class 1 gloves fitted for Andre The Giant.

I have to wonder if that's just what comes with most arc-flash kits. Who knows?

-John

Nope they dont come with any or you can add them as an option, you choose which one. Safety guys are usually not electricians, they think a 7500V glove must be BETTER than a 500V glove, bigger is better right?

 

[Sierrasparky]

Sorry to hear that, no wonder there are so many injuries in this trade. Dont all electricians have to go through some training or apprenticeship? How is basic electrical safety not covered?

I dont mean to offend, but I am amazed that am electician dosent know what PPE is.

I respect your opinion. There are a great many EC out there working for themselves. Some never enven get near medium voltage. They may just work on resi. You gonna require your guys to put on gloves to change a rec. or for that matter change a plug in breaker. I've personally had meter sockets burn up. I don't work on i live, I have to cal the POCO anyway cause theres a lock on it.

I get calls from a guy every week or so " Hi I was told to call you about your safety meetings" so I guess I'm supposed to have a talgate meeting with Me , Myself ,And I .... Yea right..

 

[jim dungar]

... so I guess I'm supposed to have a talgate meeting with Me , Myself ,And I .... Yea right..

We should all get in the habit of conducting tailgate meetings for each job even if we are the only person doing the job. A proper tailgate meeting has you go over and check off all of the steps that will help keep you safe as well as make sure that you have identified all of the tasks for the project. After all, a good aircraft crew goes through a checklist before every flight even if the craft is a single person ultralight.

 

[zog]

I respect your opinion. There are a great many EC out there working for themselves. Some never enven get near medium voltage. They may just work on resi. You gonna require your guys to put on gloves to change a rec. or for that matter change a plug in breaker. I've personally had meter sockets burn up. I don't work on i live, I have to cal the POCO anyway cause theres a lock on it.

MV has nothing to do with it, you cross the RAB you need gloves. Period. Why dont you just turn off the power?

I get calls from a guy every week or so " Hi I was told to call you about your safety meetings" so I guess I'm supposed to have a talgate meeting with Me , Myself ,And I .... Yea right..

From OSHA

(c) "Job briefing." The employer shall ensure that the employee in charge conducts a job briefing with the employees involved before they start each job. The briefing shall cover at least the following subjects: hazards associated with the job, work procedures involved, special precautions, energy source controls, and personal protective equipment requirements.

(c)(3) "Working alone." An employee working alone need not conduct a job briefing. However, the employer shall ensure that the tasks to be performed are planned as if a briefing were required.

 

[mivey]

(c)(3) "Working alone." An employee working alone need not conduct a job briefing.

That just struck me as funny as I could just hear the briefing: "who you calling stupid? Oh yeah? I know you are but so am I!" :grin:

 

[zog]

That just struck me as funny as I could just hear the briefing: "who you calling stupid? Oh yeah? I know you are but so am I!" :grin:

It is funny, thanks OSHA for being clear on the fact I dont need to talk to my self.

 

[JohnJ0906]

It is funny, thanks OSHA for being clear on the fact I dont need to talk to my self.

As long as OSHA still allows me to talk to myself.....

I would hate to be in violation on such a regular basis....

 

[EBFD6]

As long as OSHA still allows me to talk to myself.....

I would hate to be in violation on such a regular basis....

That's what I was thinking.

I have more conversations with myself during the course of my day than I do with anyone else!

 

[EBFD6]

You gonna require your guys to put on gloves to change a rec. or for that matter change a plug in breaker.

That's what OSHA wants.

Is it what happens in the real world? Maybe sometimes.

Does it always happen? I plead the fifth.

 

[BryKey]

They may just work on resi.

More are killed from 110/208 than 277/480,
(OPINION TIME)
A lax attitude when it comes to working on the lower voltages is a huge factor in these statistics. Let's not forget in the 1800's it was in the code books to check for voltage with your fingers. Stupid? Yes, but 100 years from now they are going to read the current code books and find things that they get that "WTF" look on their faces.