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4 hours for a service upgrade? You must be SUPERMAN.

Without a truck? You're AMAZING!

When I do upgrades I use most of the tools in my truck. Counting all the time including phone calls, inventory, meet & greet, price, contract, pull permit, demo & install, grounding system, label, invoice, collect, enter data in PC & travel they take me 20-21 hours.

Dave
 
wireman71 said:
1700 for a service charge sounds about standard where I'm at. You said bout 500 in materials. Lets figure 8 hours into it. Phone time. Drive time. Bid. so you grossed 1200 after material for 8 hours work. Give me 1 of these a week and i'm quitting my day job. Don't take anything that anyone else has to say about YOUR financial situation as gospel for you. You do whatever it is that you have to do to pay your bills and put food on your table.
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It might sound like it, but $1200 gross/week is only $62400 per year if you take no vacations, holidays or sick time.

It doesn't pay for the capital you have invested in your truck and equipment, it doesn't pay for your liability insurance, or your health and disability insurance, and don't forget 15% for social security and medicare.
 
Tiger Electrical said:
4 hours for a service upgrade? You must be SUPERMAN.

Without a truck? You're AMAZING!

When I do upgrades I use most of the tools in my truck. Counting all the time including phone calls, inventory, meet & greet, price, contract, pull permit, demo & install, grounding system, label, invoice, collect, enter data in PC & travel they take me 20-21 hours.

Dave
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dave...you obviously are just slow.....who honestly can do a service change (panel, meter, riser in only 4 man hours?
 
HaskinsElectric said:
You've got to be kidding.
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I am betting your used to services recessed in an exterior stucco wall and Lawnguy is doing surface mounted panels located in basements.

Just a guess, I may well be wrong.
 
emahler said:
dave...you obviously are just slow.....who honestly can do a service change (panel, meter, riser in only 4 man hours?
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Those are the panel only change jobs, where to to their lack of knowladge, and common sense they fail to replace the riser, meter pan, and miss every in your face violation, he is right any bozo can do them , and that is uaually who does them.
 
There's a lot of difference between a panel change-out and a service upgrade. Around here the panel is likely to be pop-nailed to the concrete and have a dozen conduits running into it...conduits that don't match the hole configuration of the new panel.

Dave
 
HaskinsElectric said:
You've got to be kidding.
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I don't think he is.
But I also don't think he is wrong.
Certainly some can be real bears but most are pretty straightforward.

Assuming someone has scoped the job out prior to the mechanic showing up...
Assuming you are familiar with what your local poco and AHJ will be looking for...

Most of the material and tools needed is fairly compact.
The ladder and a length of rigid (if needed) are the only cumbersome items.

Getting it all done in four hours? No freaking way!
Doing it without a truck? Many, many times.
 
emahler said:
dave...you obviously are just slow.....who honestly can do a service change (panel, meter, riser in only 4 man hours?
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Easy. I work faster on piece rate.
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But seriously... straightforward typical residential 100a to 200a service. Panel back to back or off to side, or directly under in basement. 4 hours.
 
BryanMD said:
I don't think he is.
But I also don't think he is wrong.
Certainly some can be real bears but most are pretty straightforward.

Assuming someone has scoped the job out prior to the mechanic showing up...
Assuming you are familiar with what your local poco and AHJ will be looking for...

Most of the material and tools needed is fairly compact.
The ladder and a length of rigid (if needed) are the only cumbersome items.

Getting it all done in four hours? No freaking way!
Doing it without a truck? Many, many times.
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Three 15ft runs of 4/0 ALU is not very compact and a 10ft extension ladder is hard on the roof of your car.
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
Easy. I work faster on piece rate.
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But seriously... straightforward typical residential 100a to 200a service. Panel back to back or off to side, or directly under in basement. 4 hours.
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Is this dog hours?
 
iwire said:
I am betting your used to services recessed in an exterior stucco wall and Lawnguy is doing surface mounted panels located in basements.

Just a guess, I may well be wrong.
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Exactly, with 2" rigid up through the roof and 2/0 coming out of the weatherhead. How can one do these without a ladder? He must be really tall.
 
Rewire said:
Three 15ft runs of 4/0 ALU is not very compact and a 10ft extension ladder is hard on the roof of your car.
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I wish I had a picture of the car I used to use.

Tubbed out old Escort wagon with a platform built in the back and an iron pipe rack bolted through the roof. Aside from the truck stock inventory I could haul as much as most guys do with an E350 van; certainly enough room for enough material (and all my tools) to keep me and a helper busy for two days at a time.
35mpg highway and I could park it anywhere.
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
Easy. I work faster on piece rate.
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But seriously... straightforward typical residential 100a to 200a service. Panel back to back or off to side, or directly under in basement. 4 hours.
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And how many additional hours to install the ground rods, identify the branches, and label they, and if you doing a 200A the GEC can take 4 hours to run, all by itself.

Dave, the 20 hours plus is a better figure.
 
HaskinsElectric said:
Just for laughs and to demonstrate how overpriced real electrical contractors are, here's another "California Certified Electrician" that will cut in recessed cans for $45.
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Maybe I can fly him over here and use him as a sub. Even with the air fare he'll still be cheap. :roll:

and...

fast&resonable prices
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How can you turn a guy down who has "resonable" prices? ;)
 
satcom said:
And how many additional hours to install the ground rods, identify the branches, and label they, and if you doing a 200A the GEC can take 4 hours to run, all by itself.

Dave, the 20 hours plus is a better figure.
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I agree. If I get the permit, get all needed materials and take care of the GEC on day one that's a good day. On the second day I can normally take the service down and have power back on in 4-6 hours of hard work. But that doesn't mean the job is over, then I check everyhing out, mark the panel, clean up job site and collect.

16 hours of time would be real good but it's normally closer to 20. :confused:






 
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