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Real pros don't installed used equipment.
Sure some old trucks still drive down the road but I never trusted a mechanic who wanted to put used parts in one of my vehicles.
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Real pros don't installed used equipment.
And what if the old SE was in good shape.....?
Not cool to imply that someone is being unprofessional without even seeing what they did or to broad brush folks.
MichiganTop5
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He announced it. Breaker box swap. He didn't upgrade all the wiring he just upgraded his pocket. I bet it doesn't have 2 Ground rods and a hot cold gas and both side of meter bond. I bet he didnt install smokes. Old house with fuses. He swapped the box. I garuntee that old house has some shoddy wiring some where he ain't fix it.And what if the old SE was in good shape.....?
Not cool to imply that someone is being unprofessional without even seeing what they did.
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MichiganTop5
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If you keep the 80 year old service did you do an insulation test and tighten all the bolts everywhere .... Haha I bet that's not included in your "breaker box swap out"
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You don't know what he did or didn't do.
Again, not cool to bash based on assumptions.
Or maybe you're trolling?
MichiganTop5
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If trolling is telling it like it is then I'm trolling. I think the the information is sufficient for the question.
And I don't know what they did only what they say and it sound like a economy job where only the electrician wins and the house and owner lose.
Some people have different opinions and this gives the original poster options.
Some of us are more right than others some of us are wrong.
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Getting back to the OPs question.....
Aside from the previously mentioned obsolescence issue/ lack of AFCI availability, there is no problem w/ ITE Pushmatic Bulldogs that I'm aware of. As a rule they may be old, but they aren't Zinsco/ FPE either. As long as the panel is in good condition........
Coppersmith
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Sir, I pride myself on doing an excellent job in both safety and craftsmanship. I don't know why you have decided to assassinate my character. I find it very rude. You don't know me or my work. If you can't be civil in your comments, I suggest you find another forum.
Every panel job I do is inspected. The inspectors around here don't miss much so "yes" everything required to be upgraded is upgraded. I never said I "only" change the panel. I add ground rods and bonding bridge if necessary. I install fireblock foam in chases. If the SER/SEU needs replacing I won't accept the job unless client consents to replacement. If the house has dangerous branch wiring (real, not imagined), again I won't accept the job without consent to change the wiring. I'm not required to install smoke detectors, so I don't. I'm not required to upgrade branch circuits unless I upgrade the service. Every jurisdiction is a little bit different in what is required. I can guarantee you as I guarantee my clients that when I'm done, they will have a safe and properly inspected electrical system for many years to come.
drcampbell
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drcampbell
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Early (made by Bulldog) Pushmatic breakers often have a low (5 kA) or unlisted interruption capacity. If the power company has upgraded the neighborhood distribution, there may now be more fault current available than the old breakers/panel can safely interrupt, and what "ain't broke" when it was installed is broke now.
And w/out the regular preventive maintanence that would come w/ owning any vehicle the old belair never would have made it 20 yrs either.
:thumbsup:
I think I'll take antilock brakes, airbags, back up cameras, better gas mileage and seat belts over getting impaled on the steering column or flung thru the windshield....
GerryB
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Hmmm, you seem to have a little attitude. So the THOUSANDS of electricians that have swapped out old panels for new are "fly by nights", but you want to "pad the bill" with a complete upgrade (even if not needed) and run through the entire house checking circuits and installing smoke detectors (hard wired I assume). I would agree that if the HO has a 60 amp service then up everything. A responsible contractor, (which I think the OP is), can determine what's needed and work with the home owner to that end.
Moderators, we do not need unprofessional members and discussions.
Who is hack and who is not is your opinion. Keep it to your self. Different parts of the country have their electrical systems set up differently. Just because you do things your way and I do mine another way, it does not make me or you a hack.
"Michigan top", this forum is not like the other forums. Fix your professionalism or get off of this site.
The owner and the moderators are doing a great job on this discussion forums. We don't need it to get messed up.
Who is hack and who is not is your opinion. Keep it to your self. Different parts of the country have their electrical systems set up differently. Just because you do things your way and I do mine another way, it does not make me or you a hack.
"Michigan top", this forum is not like the other forums. Fix your professionalism or get off of this site.
The owner and the moderators are doing a great job on this discussion forums. We don't need it to get messed up.
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MichiganTop5
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I'll admit when} I'm wrong.
I'm wrong and so with that, I'm back off to my little world. Assumptions are just that.
Thanks for the conversation and insight, if you'd like to remove me from the forum, I'll accept that consequence.
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Or maybe you will stick around and pay attention- this forum is an invaluable resource to anyone in the field who wants to learn.
MichiganTop5
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Lol I didn't say I'd quit reading. I have been reading this forum for several years
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By sticking around, I meant participate.
Not kidding either about the invaluable resource thing either- a lot of the members here are pretty sharp, and just about anything related to any facet of the trade gets covered.
readydave8
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Cars are better now than they used to be, partly because American manufacturers experienced pressure from better quality Japanese brands.
MichiganTop5
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Well this is getting way off topic, I was only making a point..
Lastly I'd personally rather die in this
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