Qualified Person should be redefined

[iwire]

The employer, normally, will also fire the person who performed the unsafe act if they had documented training that would have told them they shouldn't have done it.

I can't blame them as that OSHA fine is a major bummer.

 

[Texhunter7]

I guess the training part is the whole answer after all these years of doing electrical it seems like not all but a lot of people are not getting the proper training. Maybe it is just me but when i came through the trade you did not touch a live panel until your 4th year. I guess i am from the old school of the trade.

 

[cadpoint]

Joe:

Are you going to make a formal submittal for 2011 ?

Did any of these threads add anything to a potential proposal ?

Are you going to submit here on Mike's Forum, which is set up to handle this ? >

I'm just wondering ...

 

[joe tedesco]

Joe:

Are you going to make a formal submittal for 2011 ?

Did any of these threads add anything to a potential proposal ?

Are you going to submit here on Mike's Forum, which is set up to handle this ? >

I'm just wondering ...

Yes. Here it is I sent it in last week:

"Qualified Person. One who has been trained in the skills, and has knowledge related to the construction and operation of electrical equipment and installations, and has received formal documented and certified safety training to recognize and avoid the hazards involved. In addition, one who is certified and authorized to test, energize, clear, ground, tag, and lockout circuits and equipment in accordance with established safety practices and who is trained in first aid and in the proper care and use of protective equipment, such as rubber gloves, hard hat, safety glasses or face shields, and flash resistant clothing, in accordance with established safety practices."

In their memory and for those who have suffered a terrible death or accident and who were untrained and not qualified persons.
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[iaov]

I love the definition more of Unqualified person............ (A person who is not a qualified person.) How beautiful is that?????????????

Thats the bomb!!

 

[coulter]

Yes. Here it is I sent it in last week:

"Qualified Person. ... In addition, one who is certified and authorized to test, energize, clear, ground, tag, and lockout circuits and equipment in accordance with established safety practices ...​

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So who does this certifying and authorizing for maintenance work?

carl

 

[joe tedesco]

Ask Nema!

Ask Nema!

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NEMA Standards Publication AB 4-2003​

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Guidelines for Inspection and Preventive Maintenance
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National Electrical Manufacturers Association​

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1300 North 17th Street, Suite 1847
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www.nema.org

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[George Stolz]

I should call NEMA for permission to work on a live panel? :-?

 

[joe tedesco]

Learn how to read the NEMA publications!

Learn how to read the NEMA publications!

Read the NEMA publication here!

See their definition of a "Qualified Person" and how it applies to maintenance procedures!

 

[brian john]

The biggest issue I see is the qualification and training. Heck as we see many jurisdictions do not license electricians. Heck I still think on federal jobs you do not have to be licensed to do electrical work, masters or J-men.

In a smaller world such as a specialized group of, oh let's say testing companies and you HAVE TO HIRE ONE for any work requiring a qualified person; WELLLLLLLLL maybe. But for every electrical contractor to meet this requirement I doubt it. As others have stated in many different post, regarding firms hiring non licensed personnel to save money, these same firms are going to train employees on something they see as a non-profit item?

As for NEMA what do the rally care, so they can publish what they like and actually by publishing something along these lines they can increase profits selling safety items. BOY AM I A CYNIC?

 

[George Stolz]

Joe,

So who does this certifying and authorizing for maintenance work?

I don't see how the NEMA document answers Carl's question.

 

[lpelectric]

Joe,

I don't see how the NEMA document answers Carl's question.

NEMA does not independently test, evaluate, certify or verify. Although their guidelines are helpful and developed by consensus, they disclaim any liability. Any certification or statement of compliance with health and safety topics comes from others, not NEMA. :smile:

 

[brian john]

NEMA does not independently test, evaluate, certify or verify. Although their guidelines are helpful and developed by consensus, they disclaim any liability. Any certification or statement of compliance with health and safety topics comes from others, not NEMA

EXACTLY....And until there is some standard licensing in the USA, I doubt anyone will certify (or allow) this. The local counties, cities and where applicable states have a vested interest in all this. Writing their own codes and standards is a powerful position and one not likely to be passed to the federalies or just one standards organization without a fight.

 

[coulter]

...I don't see how the NEMA document answers Carl's question.

That would be my thinking.

As for the NEC being the right place for this, perhaps one should read (2005)90.2.A Scope:
"This code covers installation of electrical conductors, equipment ..."

One might think from this that the NEC does not even cover turning on the newly installed system.

"Maintenance" is an OSHA issue.

carl