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You'll have to help me help. Help me understand what confuses you, and whose "intent" you are talking about.dcspector said:
question on blood donation area
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charlie b said:
This sounds like the Tom Cruise "Jerry Maguire" movie - "help me help you! help me help you!":grin: :grin:
If blood is given at a designated area at a doctors office or the Blood Bank or Red Cross I consider that a patient care area. Many do not realize blood is drawn for various reasons, not just as donations. Therapeutic phlebotomies are given all the time at these locations. Hemochromatosis is a blood disorder that is regularly handled at the various voluntary blood giving locations. The PATIENT pays to have his / her blood drawn and then the 500 cc of blood is disposed of in a furnace. It is a prescribe treatment requiring a presciption. The drawing of blood is treatment of a " patient " who would eventually die of high iron if this procedure were not done regulary.
Then there is the " patient " who has an upcoming operation that requires blood. They donate ahead of time to bank blood for the operation. If I snoop around I might find other patient issues at a Blood Bank.
I would also like to point out that if you are donating blood you don't know what all the other people are doing there. Someone right next to you could be a patient with hemochromotosis and is there on a patient basis. They may not announce it to everyone but they are there. On average they have phlebotomies every two weeks for a year or two. And Mr. Moderator you don't need a nurse to be a patient.
Then there is the " patient " who has an upcoming operation that requires blood. They donate ahead of time to bank blood for the operation. If I snoop around I might find other patient issues at a Blood Bank.
I would also like to point out that if you are donating blood you don't know what all the other people are doing there. Someone right next to you could be a patient with hemochromotosis and is there on a patient basis. They may not announce it to everyone but they are there. On average they have phlebotomies every two weeks for a year or two. And Mr. Moderator you don't need a nurse to be a patient.
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Energize said:
Yes it does :grin: and I have it handled. Thanks
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charlie b said:
No, we are still 180 degrees apart.
My agreement with emahler is that PCAs do not exist outside of health care facilities, further backing my view that blood collection in the local school gym has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
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OK. Just checking.iwire said:
I think we just got back in phase.iwire said:
Take another look at the wording of the original question. It says nothing about being the ?place? under discussion being within a health care facility. If the question had said anything about a health care facility, then I would have said 517 does apply right from the start.
My interpretation of the original question was that the ?place? under discussion was, shall we say, at a shopping mall. Suppose some generous person donated to the Red Cross the rights to use a small space in the mall as a permanent place for them to collect blood donations. This differs from the school gym in that it is permanent, and that it has no other function than to allow people to walk in and donate blood. This type of room, this ?place,? is the basis for all my previous arguments in favor of the ?517 does not apply? viewpoint. If I were to offer a guess that you had been envisioning a different kind of ?place,? would I be right?
At this point, I should like to ask Inspectorcliff if I just correctly described the essence of his question. If not, then I should like to ask for a clafication.
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charlie b said:
That portion of the mall would be IMO a health care facility. If permits where pulled to make wiring changes IMO the use of the space would be deemed health care. I know you will not agree with that.
IMO the collection of blood can be medical care.
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charlie b said:
Charlie no big deal and thanks for the response. I for a moment started to forget the Intent of 517.13......back on track thanks again. Sometimes we try to digest all of the posts "which are great" and then start to forget what the OP asked and get lost.....I hope that made sense. That was my "Intent" thing.... the "codes Intent"
Another medical contact has come up with more information. At schools, in churches, malls, blood banks or wherever else voluntary blood is donated there is another possible patient. He /she has Primary Polycynthemia.
Primary polycythemia, often called polycythemia vera (PCV), polycythemia rubra vera (PRV), or erythremia, occurs when excess red blood cells are produced as a result of an abnormality of the bone marrow. Often, excess white blood cells and platelets are also produced. Polycythemia vera is classified as a myeloproliferative disease.
This person can schedule a phlebotomy at the same time everyone else is donating. A mobile unit could be used to reach someone who for whatever reason can't get in to a Blood Bank main building. If phlebotomist are in the outskirts of an area it may be more convenient to schedule a draw at the local church then have the patient drive in to town. It's just labeled different then disposed of. These people are patients under doctors care.
The only problem is the NEC definition of a PCA does state that it is a portion of a health care facility.
Because of the definition I now think an area is a PCA if it is a permanent blood donation location and if at a church or mall, then no, even though patients are treated.
A blood bank is a health care facility because of the patients it treats. (donors are just tolerated while the real work gets done :roll: )
Primary polycythemia, often called polycythemia vera (PCV), polycythemia rubra vera (PRV), or erythremia, occurs when excess red blood cells are produced as a result of an abnormality of the bone marrow. Often, excess white blood cells and platelets are also produced. Polycythemia vera is classified as a myeloproliferative disease.
This person can schedule a phlebotomy at the same time everyone else is donating. A mobile unit could be used to reach someone who for whatever reason can't get in to a Blood Bank main building. If phlebotomist are in the outskirts of an area it may be more convenient to schedule a draw at the local church then have the patient drive in to town. It's just labeled different then disposed of. These people are patients under doctors care.
The only problem is the NEC definition of a PCA does state that it is a portion of a health care facility.
Because of the definition I now think an area is a PCA if it is a permanent blood donation location and if at a church or mall, then no, even though patients are treated.
A blood bank is a health care facility because of the patients it treats. (donors are just tolerated while the real work gets done :roll: )
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