Range/Microwave Circuit

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Trevor , If I suspected the circuit breaker I would change it out or swap it with the feeder ocpd and check it at the service equipment, if I wondered about the voltage I could read it through the receptacle for the micro one line at a time or do a continuity test on the feeder cable and read the voltage at the ocpd for the # 6 cable , If there was a concern about voltage drop ,math would work and should have already been considered. Amps could be read at the feeder ocpd as well , visual inspection would not require me to work live.

I'm just reading it like I have never read it before and the words say likely to require me to work it live, I just don't think the trouble shooting likely, would require me to work it live . It might be easier and take less time might cost less too but is it likely to be required??? I don't think so.

There was a thread not too long ago about the law in regard to working live ,I came away thinking that not much I do in residential requires me to work live , when we work live we are exposing ourselves to a high level of risk. I think I could successfully trouble shoot a sub panel feeding a wall oven and a microwave oven without the need to expose myself to the dangers live equipment at the sub panel.
 
FWIW.....Has the "second" kitchen been approved by the building department? Some local codes don't allow single-family dwellings to have more than one kitchen.
 
I thought OSHA sez nothing in a house is critical, and therefore nothing in a house can be worked on live. What am I missing here. I thought this was a basic rule.
 
I'm still not buying it that a panel is never likely to be examined or tested while energized. Testing the load side of a circuit breaker is a common thing when troubleshooting. The idea of taking a CB from a dead panel and installing it in a live panel is crazy since almost all electricians will simply test it at the panel that is installed without the proper working space. This creates a hazard for the next guy who at some point may even be me.:rolleyes:
 
The fastest way to trouble shoot will be measuring voltage at the breaker.Yes there are other ways but most will do it at panel.As an inspector i would not allow this
 
Trevor , If you were to ask me if I thought it were likely to be worked live?

My answer would be yes , there are people who work equipment live because they don't want to climb down a ladder, and those that find the distance to the disconnect to far for them to travel ,... I get that , and have done it myself.

If you were to ask me if it would be" likely to be required " that I work on this panel while energized?

My answer would be no , absolutely not.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
The fastest way to trouble shoot will be measuring voltage at the breaker.Yes there are other ways but most will do it at panel.As an inspector i would not allow this
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Jim , the fastest way??, So , that's what this is about , saving the "man" a dime's worth of time?
I agree , unfortunately most will test it at the sub panel live, they will do it by choice, not because they are required to.

Had they left the word "required" out of the article and it said something like this ,..." likely to be worked on while energized " ,..I'm with you 100% . This however would have a tremendous impact on our industry and would be almost impossible to comply with.
 
lpelectric said:
Anyone interested in responding to my question (post #3) as to "tap conductors"? :confused: :)
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You must be using the 2002?:confused: Can't help with that although most microwaves of that size will call for a dedicated circuit.
 
My guess would be that the microwave does not have tap conductors or a juntion box but has an attachment plug. IMO taps cannot feed a receptacle outlet. If the micro. was set up to be hard wired or supplied with tap conductors ,I'd say you would have a valid argument.
 
hillbilly said:
I've got a problem on a new house
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Actually the owners have a problem, but as per usual somehow it is now the E.C.s deal to fix their screw up.

Pass the Sawzall. :)
 
I agree with the few posted replies that actually addressed your question. I feel that the tap method in this instance would be an illegal installation and that you should bring a dedicated circuit to this point. I have had similar 'changes' thrown at me in the past when I was an E.C. in Santa Fe, NM in adobe wall houses. You think that wood slats are difficult to work with????Try 16" thick adobe walls!!!
It sounds like, since you say you have a good relationship with the HO, that you should level with them and just tell them what it is going to involve to install this appliance in a code-compliant way, and just go with it. That is the best advice that you could give the HO and you will be doing them and yourself a favor by NOT attempting an illegal installation.
Just MHO.
 
Contractors are good at changing things and just think mr sparky will find a way to make it work.Well you do know a way but it might cost a few thousand to do it right.That is his problem not yours.If that cost you his work then perhaps your better off without him.He will not be there if you end up being forced to fix something free cause it got caught.He will play mr stupid and say you said its fine.
 
See 110.26(f) whether or not it would be likely to be required to be worked while energized,.. it is a panelboard and I think it would be tough to argue that it is in a dedicated space as described

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I'm not asking how to do it, only if what I plan to do is prohibited by the code.

Any response is appreciated.

steve
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What is the problem with installing a receptacle in a cabinet space above the microwave and supplying the power from a nearby SABC. This may not be ideal design but at this point seems much better than installing remote panel.
 
Cody K said:
What is the problem with installing a receptacle in a cabinet space above the microwave and supplying the power from a nearby SABC. This may not be ideal design but at this point seems much better than installing remote panel.
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That may be true but a receptacle installed in a cabinet space above the microwave is not llowed to be part of the SABC.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
That may be true but a receptacle installed in a cabinet space above the microwave is not llowed to be part of the SABC.
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Could you show me where in the code this is referenced?
 
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