- Location
- New Jersey
- Occupation
- Journeyman Electrician
Pierre C Belarge said:Norb
We do that already...over on the other site.:grin:
OK, let us all in on the secret, where is the "other site"?
Receptacle above ceiling
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OK, let us all in on the secret, where is the "other site"?
Pierre C Belarge
Senior Member
- Location
- Westchester County, New York
Sorry Trevor, but that other site is for privileged members, you us guys who want to talk about you other guys, but don't want to hear the back talk...
But...if you want to join, there is a small fee and you will be sent the password for the site.:wink:
But...if you want to join, there is a small fee and you will be sent the password for the site.:wink:
- Location
- Massachusetts
realolman said:
Can't generally run them under raised floors either, unless it meets the requirements of 645.5(D) and to use that you must also comply with 645.10 (EPO Button)
inspector23
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- Location
- Temecula, CA
This code section is my main point when I am trying to convince my jurisdiction not to allow cord-connected furnances in the attics of the tract homes.
We enforce this section on the commercial, but we allow it on the residential. That drives me nuts.
Residential has
1.People spending roughly 1/3 of their day sleeping.
2.No smoke alarms in the attic to warn them when the cheap China cord they use fails. The roof can burn for an hour and the sleeping residents would never know it.
I know the attic temp argument about installing smoke alarms. The point I am trying to make is there is no warning system for this area, which I believe is the intent of not allowing cords above ceiling in the first place! That and no regular inspection of the cords - out of sight, out of mind.
Now that my blood pressure is off the scale, time to go to my happy place......
We enforce this section on the commercial, but we allow it on the residential.
That drives me nuts. Residential has
1.People spending roughly 1/3 of their day sleeping.
2.No smoke alarms in the attic to warn them when the cheap China cord they use fails. The roof can burn for an hour and the sleeping residents would never know it.
I know the attic temp argument about installing smoke alarms. The point I am trying to make is there is no warning system for this area, which I believe is the intent of not allowing cords above ceiling in the first place! That and no regular inspection of the cords - out of sight, out of mind.
Now that my blood pressure is off the scale, time to go to my happy place......
- Location
- Massachusetts
realolman said:
Excluding Article 645 locations you can't.
You have to use hardwired equipment in those locations.
stickboy1375
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- Location
- Litchfield, CT
inspector23 said:
I don't get it? We're talking about suspended ceilings, your talking about an entire floor level...
inspector23
Senior Member
- Location
- Temecula, CA
stickboy1375 said:
Section 400.8
Unless specifically permitted in 400.7, flexible cords and cables shall not be used for the following: #(5) Where concealed by walls, floors, or ceilings or located above suspended or dropped ceilings.
mdshunk
Senior Member
- Location
- Right here.
I recently installed a receptacle above a drop ceiling next to the HVAC zone control panel. The purpose of this receptacle was at the request of the HVAC man, so that he could plug in a hand lamp when the zone control panel needs servicing.
stickboy1375
Senior Member
- Location
- Litchfield, CT
inspector23 said:
I really don't believe an attic is concealed by a ceiling... Unless of course there is no attic access...
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- Location
- Massachusetts
inspector23 said:
So as I am sitting here in my basement all flexible cords on the first and second floors are in violation of 400.8(5) because they are concealed from me by ceilings?
I can't buy that all, but I do agree cord is not a great choice for a furnace.
stickboy1375
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- Location
- Litchfield, CT
iwire said:
My thoughts exactly.....
inspector23
Senior Member
- Location
- Temecula, CA
stickboy1375 said:I really don't believe an attic is concealed by a ceiling... Unless of course there is no attic access...
Here is what I confuses me -
If the attic access is what determines that a cord can be used above a ceiling, (because you have access) then why can't you use a cord above a suspended ceiling? All those ceiling tiles could be removed just as easily as the attic access.
What am I missing????
mattsilkwood
Senior Member
- Location
- missouri
inspector23 said:Here is what I confuses me -
If the attic access is what determines that a cord can be used above a ceiling, (because you have access) then why can't you use a cord above a suspended ceiling? All those ceiling tiles could be removed just as easily as the attic access.
What am I missing????
my thoughts exactaly
hillbilly1
Senior Member
- Location
- North Georgia mountains
- Occupation
- Owner/electrical contractor
Would hardwiring it and using a switch as the disconnecting means violate the UL listing?
JohnJ0906
Senior Member
- Location
- Baltimore, MD
hillbilly1 said:
If it came with a cord installed, probably.
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
- Occupation
- Retired Electrical Contractor
hillbilly1 said:
Possibly but installing that type of unit in a suspended ceiling may also be a violation. They put cords on condensate pumps but you cannot use them in a suspended ceiling.
I have no idea why you can't--- a cord in an attic is probably more dangerous do to the ambient temp. I wonder what the temp limitation is for rubber cord. Anyone know???
- Location
- Massachusetts
Dennis Alwon said:
I thought Cavie was talking about a furnace in an attic.
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