receptacle behind dishwasher, 'accessible?'

[Stevenfyeager]

In KY, dishwashers have to be plug in type. (IN requires hardwired) At a house, the existing DW outlet in the wall is recessed in the baseboard behind the DW. Is this ok by code? Or does it have to be accessible, such as behind a refrigerator, which can be rolled or slid out without loosening any screws? Thank you.

 

[infinity]

The dishwasher is fastened in place so a receptacle behind is not accessible.

 

[ptonsparky]

In KY, dishwashers have to be plug in type. (IN requires hardwired) At a house, the existing DW outlet in the wall is recessed in the baseboard behind the DW. Is this ok by code? Or does it have to be accessible, such as behind a refrigerator, which can be rolled or slid out without loosening any screws? Thank you.

It may have been permissible at the time of instal. Under the sink is a typical location. Behind the fridge would be questionable and up to the AHJ. Twenty year old Bubba may be able to move it but a sixty five year old Bubba may not. Personally there are days the under sink device is not accessible.

 

[Stevenfyeager]

The dishwasher is fastened in place so a receptacle behind is not accessible.

Thank you, I was thinking that.

 

[kylelee]

But I have seen a type of dishwasher is need to be installed underneath the sink, what's more , it is required a plug. And there is no where I can put the plug. That's a very tricky problem


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[Coppersmith]

But I have seen a type of dishwasher is need to be installed underneath the sink, what's more , it is required a plug. And there is no where I can put the plug. That's a very tricky problem

The dishwasher is not installed under the sink, but it is usually installed next to the sink. The hoses and cord are passed through an opening between the dishwasher cabinet and the sink cabinet. The dishwasher plugs in under the sink.

 

[kylelee]

The dishwasher is not installed under the sink, but it is usually installed next to the sink. The hoses and cord are passed through an opening between the dishwasher cabinet and the sink cabinet. The dishwasher plugs in under the sink.

well . As I saw before that kind dishwasher is very special one, I know the normal one is beside the sink, but this one is right underneath the sink for saving space. And it's from Europe


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[kwired]

Behind a typical residential dishwasher is 'accessible' but is not "readily accessible".

Receptacles need to be accessible but ordinarily don't need to be readily accessible. GFCI's (including receptacle type) do need to be readily accessible.

 

[wwhitney]

Or from GE for the US market:

http://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-specs/GSM2260VSS

Cheers, Wayne

 

[infinity]

Behind a typical residential dishwasher is 'accessible' but is not "readily accessible".

Receptacles need to be accessible but ordinarily don't need to be readily accessible. GFCI's (including receptacle type) do need to be readily accessible.

That's correct, my previous post left out the word readily which is required for GFCI receptacles. Dishwashers require GFCI protection which is usually provided by a receptacle under the sink. You could install a receptacle behind the dishwasher and provide the GFCI protection elsewhere such as with a circuit breaker.

 

[MasterTheNEC]

That's correct, my previous post left out the word readily which is required for GFCI receptacles. Dishwashers require GFCI protection which is usually provided by a receptacle under the sink. You could install a receptacle behind the dishwasher and provide the GFCI protection elsewhere such as with a circuit breaker.

While it may be germane to the topic of "readily accessible", the 2017 NEC mandated that the receptacle can no longer be behind the dishwasher. It is required to now be in the adjacent space per 422.16 (B)(2)(6).

 

[Leespark57]

While it may be germane to the topic of "readily accessible", the 2017 NEC mandated that the receptacle can no longer be behind the dishwasher. It is required to now be in the adjacent space per 422.16 (B)(2)(6).

:thumbsup:
Strange rule, considering it doesn't apply to a trash compactor.

 

[MasterTheNEC]

:thumbsup:
Strange rule, considering it doesn't apply to a trash compactor.

LOL ...all this will look dramatically different in 2020 NEC. It was all redone for clarity.

 

[JFletcher]

I feel like a newbie, I don't ever recall seeing a cord and plug dishwasher. All I've seen is hardwired, and on a GFCI breaker (or not).

 

[MasterTheNEC]

I feel like a newbie, I don't ever recall seeing a cord and plug dishwasher. All I've seen is hardwired, and on a GFCI breaker (or not).

Nah....just always more than one way do something and cord and plug is just another way to do it. Kinda like a in-sink waste disposal....it can be hard wired or cord and plugged as well.....

 

[infinity]

While it may be germane to the topic of "readily accessible", the 2017 NEC mandated that the receptacle can no longer be behind the dishwasher. It is required to now be in the adjacent space per 422.16 (B)(2)(6).

We're still on the 2014 but now that you mention it I seem to remember that from a code update seminar. Thanks for the reminder. I like the new rule.

 

[romex jockey]

LOL ...all this will look dramatically different in 2020 NEC. It was all redone for clarity.

That i don't doubt Master

But the issue is two fold, a means of disconnect and it's readily available accessibility, gfci and or DF protection of the circuitry

So , given we've modern kitchens w/dish,pig,trash,micro,ovens, blenders as well as all manner of fixed appliances over 300VA needing some sort of lotto , i've sided with 422.31B


Ergo, we look to place a small panel w/main w/in sight of the kitchen Why a main? because it's the easiest and most cost effective lotto , one does all

Others have told me i'm nuts , AHJ's pass me, and i win bids this way

~RJ~

 

[kwired]

While it may be germane to the topic of "readily accessible", the 2017 NEC mandated that the receptacle can no longer be behind the dishwasher. It is required to now be in the adjacent space per 422.16 (B)(2)(6).

My guess, it was done to make the "disconnecting means" more readily accessible and not because the receptacle as a general rule needs to be more accessible.

I can't recall ever putting the receptacle behind the DW, and rarely ever seen it put there. Just bad design decision even if it was allowed IMO.

 

[infinity]

I can't recall ever putting the receptacle behind the DW, and rarely ever seen it put there. Just bad design decision even if it was allowed IMO.

I had seen it done that way many times prior to the readily accessible GFCI requirement but by doing so you may have an issue with using the cord and plug as the disconnecting means.

 

[kwired]

I had seen it done that way many times prior to the readily accessible GFCI requirement but by doing so you may have an issue with using the cord and plug as the disconnecting means.

does the disconnecting means need to be "readily accessible"? If it does, we have already had debates over GFCI receptacle's under sinks possibly not being readily accessible ever since they required GFCI's to be readily accessible.:blink: