Recessed Light Design

[electricmanscott]

I hate Lightolier cans and trims. At least the residential grade ones.

I used to hate them too. Always used Juno. I find the Juno quality has gone into the toilet. Missing wing nuts, cross threaded screws, wired pinched in the rivits etc.
Trims in the cardboard with no plastic take a bit of a beating too.

I am all about the Lightolier these days. Took a bit to get used to it but once I did I have been happy. Much better quality as far as I can tell, and when a customer is dealing with a designer and they hear I am using Lightolier they get all giddy. They seem to have a thing for that brand.

 

[frank_n]

I used Juno "old work" lights for the first time in a very long time last week. I didn't like them. They had only 3 clips while Halo has 4. The Halo lights are held much tighter.

Frank

 

[tonyou812]

5" is not much more if any more at all than a 6"

I use mostly 5" now too.

R-38? Wow, do you keep those in the trunk of your Aries K?

Come to think of it, what is an R 38? I know of an R 40 and maybe a PAR 38.

Either way, 1984 called, they want their lighting back. :grin:

nicely done. if they dont what to pay the price difference than ill put 6" cans but i agree that its silly to use 4" cans to general light the room. Unless you have other lights to back them up like sconces and a center light.
In a big dinning room it think a row of 3" cans down the center of the table looks real sharp with a center chandalier. But every one is differnent. I get alot of people asking about the black trims usually cause thats what they have already.

 

[e57]

This room is a living room. The customers (husband & wife) are not sure what they want, but they do understand that they want general lighting and not accent lighting.

Since you have installed the MR16's for use in this situation, can you recommend how to space the lights for a 16' X 13.5' living room?

Since this is a living room the primary activity will be sitting, reading, and possible TV time....

1. Sitting means you are low in the room and have a better view of what-ever the lamping is - so you want it as deep as possible. Fully cut off the better.
2. Reading you want multiple paths of direct lighting, and ambient fill.
3. TV you dont want see anything as bright as the TV, and because you a sitting low in a chair or couch - refer to #1 above.

All told certain cans are not what you want in a living room, unless you have an idea of where furnature, art, and TV's if any would be.

Use say a mixture of cans. Scooped wall wash for areas where a TV, or art on wall, near a fireplace, ect. to cut-off veiw of the lamping. And seperately on another dimmer use multiple cans directly over or slightly behind seating with directional white or matte specular trims.

 

[JohnE]

My thoughts: 1. I use the 5" Juno. 2. Though I don't use them, I do like the black baffle. 3. I hate lightolier for new resi. Scott, do you use lightolier for new work? 4. The Juno new work 5" cans are built like they used to build their 6" can (which have since been changed). Where the mounting arms are removable and they can be installed in a very tight bay. 5. 4" is not the right choice in the OP.

 

[frank_n]

I think I might submit 2 proposals, one for R20s and one for 5-inch BR30s (and recommend the BR30s). If I was going to lay-out the BR30's, I would use 3 rows of 3 lights. Does that seem right?

Frank

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I would use 3 rows of 3 lights. Does that seem right?

Frank

That should work fine. Again it depends on many factors. On the 16 foot wall put one in the middle about 2.5 feet off the wall with one in the center and the other 2 3foot of the adjacent wall. The rest would be obvious.

 

[220/221]

6 in. cans - your kidding ,right ?

6" cans ROCK. ESPACIALLY in a kitchen...but you NEVER put them in rows down the center. You place them where you NEED LIGHT. About 20-24" out from the walls directly above and spaced appropriately over couter tops. The same light used for the couter top work space is used for the upper cabinets.

color is important- Quartz bulbs

Color is important.

Maintenance is important too. Par halogen lamps. None of those 100 watt quartz crap lamps that are hard to find and are so hot they burn the sockets