Romex In A School

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Wes G said:
See annex E in code book.
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Wes Gerrans
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Goodland, KS
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I wouldn't look at Annex E personally. Most states use the IBC as their building code, which would be the governing document for type of construction. Annex E needs to be deleted from the code. Does anyone know of any state or jurisdication that has adopted the NFPA 220? For that matter, the NFPA 5000?

Annex E is a misleading waste of paper, in my opinion.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Mine is it is to easily damaged and causes the fire.
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Jim, if it's installed per NEC than it's concealed in the walls and it's not in the space above a suspended ceiling.

IMO the likelihood of damage is minimal.
 
iwire said:
Jim, if it's installed per NEC than it's concealed in the walls and it's not in the space above a suspended ceiling.

IMO the likelihood of damage is minimal.
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Damage is not limited to ceilings.All it needs is 1 staple to tight or someone walks on it in attic and pulls it into a truss plate.Could take years to get fire started.Breaker doesnt trip so it just leaks into the wood till it gets hot enough to burn.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Damage is not limited to ceilings.All it needs is 1 staple to tight or someone walks on it in attic and pulls it into a truss plate.Could take years to get fire started.Breaker doesnt trip so it just leaks into the wood till it gets hot enough to burn.
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Thank God for AFCI's then!
 
I think that it is a good idea...I get paid by the hour and EMT takes a bit more labor to install than NM. Even better if we only permit the use of rigid.
By the way Chicago and many of its suburbs do not permit NM, AC or MC even in dwelling units.
Don
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Damage is not limited to ceilings.All it needs is 1 staple to tight or someone walks on it in attic and pulls it into a truss plate.Could take years to get fire started.Breaker doesnt trip so it just leaks into the wood till it gets hot enough to burn.
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Yeah I see it happening all the time. ;)
 
I just got off of doing a few schools in Manhattan and queens. I know that the SCA has their own regulations for public schools. All Wire in concealed spaces had to be MC cable. All of the outlet and switch plates had to be stainless steel type. All pipe under seven feet that was exposed had to be in ridged. They have their own inspectors and could care less about whether it is permitted by the nec, if its not in their spec book its not allowed.
 
Let's see, we go to work in our emt wired offices with sprinkler systems where we are wide awake and very alert to our surondings. Then we go home and go into a very sound and deep sleep in our very unsafe RX wired homes with dead batterys in the smoke alarms. .......Very insteresting. Have you loyal pipe benders rewired you houses?????? NOT!!!!!
 
Cavie said:
Let's see, we go to work in our emt wired offices with sprinkler systems where we are wide awake and very alert to our surondings. Then we go home and go into a very sound and deep sleep in our very unsafe RX wired homes with dead batterys in the smoke alarms. .......Very insteresting. Have you loyal pipe benders rewired you houses?????? NOT!!!!!
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Have started and as i open any walls it goes back in mc or pipe
 
Ryan:

The NEC can't anticipate what building code a jurisdiction may be enforcing. If construction types are going to be included in the code it makes since to have explanatory material as to what these construction types are. With the proper resources it is not too difficult to cross reference NFPA construction types to IBC construction types. The State of Tennessee is still using the 1999 Standard Code which varies even more with the IBC than does the NFPA.
 
peter d said:
I assume you have unlimited amounts of money to spend as you wish?
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Its the labor that makes it costly.And i salvage straight sticks of used emt on remodels.So really not costing me that much.My master bedroom and office are in pipe.Wasnt fun but needed fancy switching for the wifes light house collection.In total 36 devices for bedroom.
 
I ripped out all of the romex in my detached garage several years ago and re-wired in EMT. It was a good place to teach my then 17 year old about bending pipe. It is a pole building and he got pretty good at offsets before we were done. About every evening after supper one winter we'd go out to the shop, turn on the radio and space heater and apply trig to the real world. He's gone off making a career in the Army now but when he comes home to visit he always goes out to look at his "masterpiece" of pipework.
 
Amptech that is cool. :)

No better reason could be given for running EMT, years from now you will go out there and remember that time spent doing it.
 
Kessler4130 said:
Properly installed it is far from dangerous, stupidity and laziness are dangerous, not NM cable.
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EMT tolerates more stupidity than romex.

Given your choice of wiring systems for your new home at same price,pick one.
1. romex
2. mc
3.emt
 
cavie,
If I would build a new house for myself, it would be in EMT and would have a residential sprinkler system.
Don
 
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