Romex In A School

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That would depend on who is installing it.

I really sleep just fine in my NM house...OK the electric dryer is on MC 'cause that's what I had.

I have more fear of the dryer lint starting a fire than the NM.
 
Given my choice, I'd have power in EMT and everything else in RNC -- phone, data, audio, video, CATV.

Has anyone ever estimated the cost difference between Romex and THHN in EMT for a house?
 
tallgirl said:
Given my choice, I'd have power in EMT and everything else in RNC -- phone, data, audio, video, CATV.

Has anyone ever estimated the cost difference between Romex and THHN in EMT for a house?
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roughly i would say 3 times more
 
iwire said:
That would depend on who is installing it.

I really sleep just fine in my NM house...OK the electric dryer is on MC 'cause that's what I had.

I have more fear of the dryer lint starting a fire than the NM.
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OK Bob,did you pull a permit ?Was it inspected LOL
 
Any wiring system is at risk even behind drywall.Carpenters install chair rail and base with staple guns and the nail will go thru romex and mc and yes have had it happen more than once.Owner will drive nail into wall for pictures.Cabinet man might easily hit it with his long screws.EMT can even get a nail or screw in it.Whats important is that the damage is inside a shield so that we get a dead short.With romex they might only nick or touch the hot wire.You can figure out the result.
 
tallgirl,
Has anyone ever estimated the cost difference between Romex and THHN in EMT for a house?
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There was an informal study done in our area about 15 years ago. There was a 10-15% increase in the cost of the electrical installation for the use of EMT in a dwelling unit.
Don
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
tallgirl,

There was an informal study done in our area about 15 years ago. There was a 10-15% increase in the cost of the electrical installation for the use of EMT in a dwelling unit.
Don
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I thank you and I'm sure someone in the Lower 9th Ward would thank you if they knew you existed :)
 
RB1 said:
Bob,

What about jobs you hope to get paid for?
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Good question.

Here is a section of MGL 143 section 3L

No person shall install for hire any electrical wiring or fixtures subject to this section without first or within five days after commencing the work giving notice to the inspector of wires appointed pursuant to the provisions of section thirty-two of chapter one hundred and sixty-six. Said notice shall be given by mailing or delivering a permit application form prepared by the board, to said inspector. Any person failing to give such notice shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars. This section shall be enforced by the inspector of wires within his jurisdiction and the state examiners of electricians.
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Apparently the local courts have ruled that means permits do not apply to work 'not done for hire'
 
iwire said:
Apparently the local courts have ruled that means permits do not apply to work 'not done for hire'
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Intresting.

Is this also being interpreted as HOs/DIY'rs also don't need permits for their own electrical work ???

Or is it only being interpreted as licensed pros working "gratis" ???
 
NoVA Comms Power said:
Intresting.

Is this also being interpreted as HOs/DIY'rs also don't need permits for their own electrical work ???

Or is it only being interpreted as licensed pros working "gratis" ???
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It means homeowners are not required to get permits and in many towns the inspectors are refusing to inspect homeowners work.

There are some MA inspectors on this forum, they likely know more, I believe that some are trying to have the laws changed.
 
iwire said:
It means homeowners are not required to get permits and in many towns the inspectors are refusing to inspect homeowners work.
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That's unfortunate.

It would seem to ignore the underlying rationale for inspections in the first place -- public safety.
 
If I could wire my own house from scratch, I would use as much 14/2 as possible. When I run out of that, I'll switch to bell wire.
 
iwire said:
It means homeowners are not required to get permits and in many towns the inspectors are refusing to inspect homeowners work.

There are some MA inspectors on this forum, they likely know more, I believe that some are trying to have the laws changed.
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From what you said if i built my own home i dont need a permit.That cant be right.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
From what you said if i built my own home i dont need a permit.That cant be right.
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You don't need an electric permit if you build your own home, I do not know the rules for the other trades.

As far as it being 'right' as I said I believe that people are trying to have the rules changed.

Personally I feel this being America we all should be able to wire/plumb/build our own homes if we choose. However I also believe this work should be subject to inspections.
 
iwire said:
It means homeowners are not required to get permits and in many towns the inspectors are refusing to inspect homeowners work.

There are some MA inspectors on this forum, they likely know more, I believe that some are trying to have the laws changed.
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Bob
this is a hot button topic, it would sure be nice if we finally get a re-write of Ch 141 or an interpertation .
 
NoVA Comms Power said:
That's unfortunate.

It would seem to ignore the underlying rationale for inspections in the first place -- public safety.
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Yes on the surface it seems that way , but would bet it has a lot to do with unqualified home owners expecting that the inspection department should tell them how to wire their project and plan for them also.

One could only imagine headaches and complications from inspecting this kind of work beside the hidden stuff they would try and get away with.

One could see not wanting to get involved with that mess and having to put a signature on it.
 
iwire said:
You don't need an electric permit if you build your own home, I do not know the rules for the other trades.

As far as it being 'right' as I said I believe that people are trying to have the rules changed.

Personally I feel this being America we all should be able to wire/plumb/build our own homes if we choose. However I also believe this work should be subject to inspections.
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Bob in our state the plumbing needs a plumber (masters lic I think to pull a permit) Ch II and the board of health stuff
 
iwire said:
You don't need an electric permit if you build your own home, I do not know the rules for the other trades.

As far as it being 'right' as I said I believe that people are trying to have the rules changed.

Personally I feel this being America we all should be able to wire/plumb/build our own homes if we choose. However I also believe this work should be subject to inspections.
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Dang, mark this down we seldom agree on anything.
I am all for being allowed to build your own home but permits and inspections should still apply if for no other reason than the next owners safety.
 
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