Romex in conduit

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CEU said:
Article 334.15 (B) says it can be done.
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Well, it does, but I still take that to mean isolated sections of conduit where needed, and not a complete, box-to-box conduit system. But then, I'm weird that way.
 
LarryFine said:
Well, it does, but I still take that to mean isolated sections of conduit where needed, and not a complete, box-to-box conduit system. But then, I'm weird that way.
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You can take it that way but it is not what it says. :)

As the NEC is a minimum safety code what would be the justification of prohibiting NM in conduit systems?

I agree it is weird but I don't see the hazard.

No one bats an eye when we pull fire alarm cable in a raceway system.:)
 
iwire said:
You can take it that way but it is not what it says. :)

As the NEC is a minimum safety code what would be the justification of prohibiting NM in conduit systems?

I agree it is weird but I don't see the hazard.

No one bats an eye when we pull fire alarm cable in a raceway system.:)
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I agree that I don't really see a hazard either. Try pulling 8-#10 solid conductors into a 3/4" EMT and tell me if that is harder or easier than pulling in a piece of 12-2 romex.
 
roger said:
Until we know what the maximum length of a "section of cable" installed in a raceway is, the last sentence above covers all NM installations in a raceway unless the raceway offers no protection from physical damage.
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What if, by "section of cable", we mean that only part of that particular run of cable is enclosed in the conduit, and the conduit is not run from box to box.

If the entire piece of cable, i.e., between boxes, is enclosed in the conduit, it is no longer a "section", it is the entire cable. Individual conductors could be used.
 
infinity said:
Try pulling 8-#10 solid conductors into a 3/4" EMT and tell me if that is harder or easier than pulling in a piece of 12-2 romex.
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Okay, and then you try pulling four 10-2 NM's in the same 3/4" EMT and tell me if that was harder than pulling the eight #10's.

Personally, I'd rather pull the 10's than the NM.
 
LarryFine said:
Okay, and then you try pulling four 10-2 NM's in the same 3/4" EMT and tell me if that was harder than pulling the eight #10's.

Personally, I'd rather pull the 10's than the NM.
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I would too, but that wasn't the point. What I was getting at is that you can break your a** pulling in 8 or 10-#10 solid conductors and still be code compliant, so why should pulling in one two wire NM cable be a problem?
 
I can't think of a time I have run a NM cable in a complete system.

I have on many occasions run cable through conduits that had some good length and bends.

It really does not install that hard if you don't crowd the raceway.

Three or four wire cable assemblies pull very well around corners.
 
LarryFine said:
What if
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What if, What if, What if. When that term is included in the wording you will have an argument.

Furthermore, What if a frog had wings, do you think his butt would still bump the ground?

Roger
 
Roger,
The word "section" is not pertaining to the raceway as it is worded, it is referring to the cable.
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It doesn't matter, a section is a part of the whole and if all on the NM is in the raceway, it is not a "section of cable"...it is the cable.
Don
by the way the code according to Don would not prohibit the use of NM in raceways...it would require it.
 
Don, staying in the grasping for straws spirit, as you are, if any length of the sheath leaves the connector on either end of the raceway and enters into a cabinet, the whole cable is not in the raceway, part of it is in the cabinet, which can only mean a section of the cable is in the raceway, not the whole cable.

Roger
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
by the way the code according to Don would not prohibit the use of NM in raceways...it would require it.
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LMAO

I am so glad there is a heated debate going on, and I've had nothing to do with it.

Carry on. :D
 
Larry, I agree, I believe it would too, so the fact of the matter is, a "what if" doesn't change a "what is".:cool:

Roger
 
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