Romex Without Ground

[mbrooke]

Do they still make romex without ground? Or something that is at least similar to it? ...........

 

[480sparky]

I know someone does, cuz central vacuum installers use it.

 

[mbrooke]

I know someone does, cuz central vacuum installers use it.

Are you sure its not just SJW or SOOW cord?

 

[rnatalie]

Central VAC cable is typically only rated for 24V. It indeed is two conductors (no ground) only but usually fairly small gauge (I've never seen more than 16g). They also make similar cables for installation of low voltage lighting.

 

[rnatalie]

Are you sure its not just SJW or SOOW cord?

It is not. Cordage wouldn't be legal.

 

[480sparky]

Central VAC cable is typically only rated for 24V. It indeed is two conductors (no ground) only but usually fairly small gauge (I've never seen more than 16g). They also make similar cables for installation of low voltage lighting.

Yes, for the control wiring. But the POWER wiring for POWERED OUTLETS are NM.

Are you sure its not just SJW or SOOW cord?

I ain't that stupid.

 

[mbrooke]

I ain't that stupid.

Well...

 

[mbrooke]

Central VAC cable is typically only rated for 24V. It indeed is two conductors (no ground) only but usually fairly small gauge (I've never seen more than 16g). They also make similar cables for installation of low voltage lighting.

I need 12 gauge.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Can you use tray cable for your application?

 

[mbrooke]

Can you use tray cable for your application?

Not sure.

12 volt DC system fed from batteries.

 

[JoeNorm]

We've bought 14 gauge for low voltage lighting. I bet someone makes a 12 similar.

 

[mbrooke]

We've bought 14 gauge for low voltage lighting. I bet someone makes a 12 similar.

Do you have a link?

 

[James L]

SPT cable?

 

[mbrooke]

SPT cable?

Does the NEC allow that in wall?

 

[GeorgeB]

Do they still make romex without ground? Or something that is at least similar to it? ...........

Southwire catalogs 14-2 without ground in UF. Similar enough?

 

[hbiss]

Southwire catalogs 14-2 without ground in UF. Similar enough?

Probably for landscape lighting.

-Hal

 

[mbrooke]

Southwire catalogs 14-2 without ground in UF. Similar enough?

I'll look into that, thanks!

 

[James L]

Does the NEC allow that in wall?

I doubt it.

Here's some class 2 cable that's sold as speaker cable. In-wall rated

https://smile.amazon.com/Monoprice-Access-Gauge-Conductor-Speaker/dp/B003L1AFL4/ref=sr_1_3?crid=E0KSLM44QTPQ&dchild=1&keywords=in+wall+speaker+cable+12+gauge&qid=1615055753&sprefix=In+wall+speaker+cable+12%2Caps%2C356&sr=8-3

 

[mbrooke]

I doubt it.

Here's some class 2 cable that's sold as speaker cable. In-wall rated

https://smile.amazon.com/Monoprice-Access-Gauge-Conductor-Speaker/dp/B003L1AFL4/ref=sr_1_3?crid=E0KSLM44QTPQ&dchild=1&keywords=in+wall+speaker+cable+12+gauge&qid=1615055753&sprefix=In+wall+speaker+cable+12%2Caps%2C356&sr=8-3

I knew it, cheaper than the 14-2 12-2 WG right now.

 

[marmathsen]

I don't understand how Southwire can sell UF without an EGC conductor yet NEC 334.108 clearly states it needs one. What am I missing?

https://assets.southwire.com/ImConvServlet/imconv/e5fb2cb02ee17d9a07c240daad3f27788b4795b5/origin?use=productpictures&assetDescr=Copper%20UF-B.spec.pdf

Rob