Genesis006
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- Location
- Carmel, IN USA
Is it required to have a ground rod at each 50/30/20 RV pedestal.
RV site requirements
- Thread starter Genesis006
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- wire pulling grunt
Yes. While not always enforced 250.32 requires a grounding electrode for any building or structure supplied by a feeder.
- Location
- Massachusetts
I agree.
Which also means they will likely need to install two rods at each.
That said, I have been in few campgrounds and do not recall seeing any signs of ground rods at the pedestals.
Would they also have to be bonded to the metal water line often with them or beside them?
- Occupation
- wire pulling grunt
Yes, if it qualifies as a grounding electrode.
- Location
- Illinois
Does having a water line in the ground near the pedestal or water connection near the pedestal, make the water line "present at the structure"?
- Location
- Massachusetts
In some cases the water and electric are mounted on the same support.
In some cases just near, as in within a few feet.
- Location
- Placerville, CA, USA
If it does not come out above ground it certainly does not serve the structure (pedestal). In any case you are not required to dig it up to connect to it.
- Location
- Massachusetts
- Location
- Placerville, CA, USA
True, but Don speculated about a water line "in the ground" near the pedestal.
- Location
- Massachusetts
Yet we are talking about camper pedestals so they are not underground.
- Location
- Massachusetts
Here is another type of set up
Does the NEC require we bond the pedestal to the metal water line?
Should we do it anyway?
I know I would feel more comfortable having those bonded together.
Does the NEC require we bond the pedestal to the metal water line?
Should we do it anyway?
I know I would feel more comfortable having those bonded together.
texie
Senior Member
- Location
- Fort Collins, Colorado
- Occupation
- Electrician, Contractor, Inspector
According to the CMP discussion in the ROC for the 2014 edition, an RV pedestal is not a structure and as such does not require a GES.
- Location
- Massachusetts
They got to get their stuff together because other CMPs have made clear a simple light pole is s structure.
- Occupation
- wire pulling grunt
News to me. I agree with iwire.
jumper
Senior Member
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- 3 Hr 2 Min from Winged Horses
The dissenters, a minority, argued texie's statement and lost. Majority said it was.
Panel Statement:
CMP-19 accepted Proposal 19-79 to clarify that an RV
pedestal is a separate structure and the provisions of Article 250 apply.
- Location
- Illinois
The code rule doesn't say anything about the water pipe serving the structure...it only talks about it the water pipe being present at the structure.
I think it is clear if the water connection is attached to the same support as the electrical equipment, that the pipe is present at the structure, but is it present at the electrical structure if the water is on its own structure a few feet away?
ServiceCall
Member
- Location
- South Daytona
Always nice having the water line right next to the commodeHere is another type of set up
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kwired
Electron manager
- Location
- NE Nebraska
Actually I don't think they are supposed to be that close together per plumbing codes. Not talking about the inlet/outlets so much as the buried lines. They need separation (not sure exactly how much) so that it is not easy to hit both of them with excavation equipment and cause potential contamination of the potable water system.Always nice having the water line right next to the commode
Of course we don't know exactly what they do once they enter the ground, but appears they are pretty close together for a little ways at the very least.
Gentle men:
You better look at the issue from the viewpoint of a relevant Federal law, in addition to NEC, which states any hazard such as a dangerous touch voltage in a work place shall be removed. So the design should be such that the touch voltage resulting from a ground fault in a RV is within permissible limit even during the operation of OCPD to clear it.
You better look at the issue from the viewpoint of a relevant Federal law, in addition to NEC, which states any hazard such as a dangerous touch voltage in a work place shall be removed. So the design should be such that the touch voltage resulting from a ground fault in a RV is within permissible limit even during the operation of OCPD to clear it.
- Location
- Placerville, CA, USA
An RV is a workplace? What happened to "recreation"?
And shortly after the hazard comes into being it will be removed by the OCPD, right?
How can you remove a dangerous touch voltage before it happens?