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Just curiouis how many of you use safety gloves when working hot. I have to admit i have not always used them, but i do try to keep them in mind now.

Ive used the leather gloves , and the rubber gloves too before. you loose some dexterity with the gloves and leather of course by itself is not voltage rated.

So tell me when or if you use your gloves when you work hot.
 
Buy a pair of Class 00 gloves and liners. Class 00 is rated up to 500 volts AC.

They are not bad to work with.

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brother said:
do you use all insulated tools when you do hot work?
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I have insulated tools in the van, if I have to work hot I have access to all the items I need.

That said, I have all but stopped working hot. Just not worth it to me anymore. My kids love me and need me more then a anyplace needs uninterrupted power. Really.:)
 
Also, due to the dynamics of the power grid, the serving electric utility is still making a guess as to how much fault current is available at your facility. In my opinion,
you should never work any service equipment hot
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charlie said:
Also, due to the dynamics of the power grid, the serving electric utility is still making a guess as to how much fault current is available at your facility. In my opinion,
you should never work any service equipment hot
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when you say "you should never work any service equipment hot" does this include just changing a circuit breaker or adding one as well?? Ive done that many of times with out turning off the whole panel, cause it was just infesible.
 
brother said:
when you say "you should never work any service equipment hot" does this include just changing a circuit breaker or adding one as well?? Ive done that many of times with out turning off the whole panel, cause it was just infesible.
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Shut off the panel.

1910.333(a)(1)

"Deenergized parts." Live parts to which an employee may be exposed shall be deenergized before the employee works on or near them, unless the employer can demonstrate that deenergizing introduces additional or increased hazards or is infeasible due to equipment design or operational limitations. Live parts that operate at less than 50 volts to ground need not be deenergized if there will be no increased exposure to electrical burns or to explosion due to electric arcs.


Note 1: Examples of increased or additional hazards include interruption of life support equipment, deactivation of emergency alarm systems, shutdown of hazardous location ventilation equipment, or removal of illumination for an area.


Note 2: Examples of work that may be performed on or near energized circuit parts because of infeasibility due to equipment design or operational limitations include testing of electric circuits that can only be performed with the circuit energized and work on circuits that form an integral part of a continuous industrial process in a chemical plant that would otherwise need to be completely shut down in order to permit work on one circuit or piece of equipment.


Note 3: Work on or near deenergized parts is covered by paragraph (b) of this section.
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brother said:
Just curiouis how many of you use safety gloves when working hot. I have to admit i have not always used them, but i do try to keep them in mind now.

Ive used the leather gloves , and the rubber gloves too before. you loose some dexterity with the gloves and leather of course by itself is not voltage rated.

So tell me when or if you use your gloves when you work hot.
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If you think gloves are all you need, look at this and consider the risk based on the environment. Hot work should be the exception.

Spend some time looking at some of these videos and think about your practices. By the time you realize something has gone wrong it's way too late.
 
iwire said:
That said, I have all but stopped working hot. Just not worth it to me anymore. My kids love me and need me more then a anyplace needs uninterrupted power. Really.:)
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Well said. The customer better have a damn good reason to put my life on the line. These threads are jems. :smile:
 
FWIW, and not a recommendation

At times I have to Inspect energized equipment. Check torque specs, loads, etc. I use Salisbury 10kv rubber gloves and Green Mountain goatskin leather covers all with 14" cuff, long sleeve shirt and facial arc flash protection.
 
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At times I have to Inspect energized equipment. Check torque specs, loads, etc. I use ...
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Oh, you're one of those guys. :roll: Tell me, how do you accomplish that? You have some sort of fancy calculator that lets you calculate the amount of cold flow between the time lugs were originally torqued and when you "inspect" the torque, and the effect that has on the realized torque at that time? I offer this... it is impossible to inspect for proper torque of a lug. Bussbars, maybe.
 
dcspector said:
FWIW, and not a recommendation

At times I have to Inspect energized equipment. Check torque specs, loads, etc. I use Salisbury 10kv rubber gloves and Green Mountain goatskin leather covers all with 14" cuff, long sleeve shirt and facial arc flash protection.
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Why not a recommendation?:-? That's smart.

We need to change our practices industry wide at all levels. Safety above all.

This stuff ('lectricity that is) bites hard and without warning. Safety is the concern for our installations and should be the routine for our work practices. Pain in the butt and all. The gear is a pain to work in but neccessary.
 
brother said:
Key word here is 'infeasible' . Thats what i said in my post did you miss it?? I do work at hospitals and such other facilities and its not always 'feasible' to just shut off the panel.
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Did you miss that it is an OSHA violation? It surprises me a hospital is not already acutely aware of the OSHA standards.

It's called scheduling a shut down. My experience is that more often then not you can schedule a shutdown when you do not give the penny counters any option. Yes, this means things might have to wait.

You show them the rules.

The companies I have worked for have a paper form that both explains the rules and requires signatures from the customer saying it is their decision and they will be liable for the hot work.

Two months ago we pulled an 800 amp feeder, it just got connected recently as that was the first shutdown possible.

Nothing will change until we make it change.
 
mdshunk said:
Oh, you're one of those guys. :roll: Tell me, how do you accomplish that? You have some sort of fancy calculator that lets you calculate the amount of cold flow between the time lugs were originally torqued and when you "inspect" the torque, and the effect that has on the realized torque at that time? I offer this... it is impossible to inspect for proper torque of a lug. Bussbars, maybe.
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Marc,

What one of those guys am I?........Yes the bus and the tap box lugs. Aluminum creeps/ loosens up over the years and when I inspect existing equipment....It is part of my job. I check one or two bolts and or lugs and make out a report. I use a torque wrench.........:)roll: ???? what was that all about) ?
 
iwire said:
The companies I have worked for have a paper form that both explains the rules and requires signatures from the customer saying it is their decision and they will be liable for the hot work.

Nothing will change until we make it change.
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The burden of liability shifted to the customer. That piece of paper changes their tune in a heartbeat.
 
frizbeedog said:
The burden of liability shifted to the customer. That piece of paper changes their tune in a heartbeat.
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I personally have only once had a customer sign it all others decide a shutdown was in their best interest.

A Hospital and the switchgear we had to go into controlled the OR ventilation.

IMO it was still an OSHA violation.
 
frizbeedog said:
The burden of liability shifted to the customer. That piece of paper changes their tune in a heartbeat.
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To the penny counters it moves the dollar sign to a different column, There Column :D Now it is different, if we have to pay for it, your safety at your expense "no problem" your safety at our expense "big problem" :-?
 
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