frizbeedog
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hold on, it's comming. Marc's answer that is.
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mdshunk said:There would be no profit in my comments on the matter of working hot and hot work gloves, therefore I will uncharacteristically bite my tongue.
brother said:I wear safety gear, at least some. My gloves, safety glasses, long sleeves etc.. I do think of myself in this situation, besides here recently we had a IBEW electrician brother get 3rd degree burns on his arms and hands and rushed to hospital. I do not believe he was wearing long sleeves or had safety gloves on.Brother,
Sometimes the long sleeve shirt could be more hazardous depending on the material it is made of.
Joe
brother said:Key word here is 'infeasible' . Thats what i said in my post did you miss it?? I do work at hospitals and such other facilities and its not always 'feasible' to just shut off the panel.
However when it is 'feasible' then i do shut it off and take care of the issue.
joebell said:brother said:I wear safety gear, at least some. My gloves, safety glasses, long sleeves etc.. I do think of myself in this situation, besides here recently we had a IBEW electrician brother get 3rd degree burns on his arms and hands and rushed to hospital. I do not believe he was wearing long sleeves or had safety gloves on.Brother,
Sometimes the long sleeve shirt could be more hazardous depending on the material it is made of.
Joe
Agreed, I saw no mention of arc flash PPE. I would think after seeing someone go through 3rd degree burns 70E requirements would be followed.
Brother, did he survive? Most dont with 3rd degree burns if >20% of body is burned.
God Bless Ya brother! I agreeiwire said:I have insulated tools in the van, if I have to work hot I have access to all the items I need.
That said, I have all but stopped working hot. Just not worth it to me anymore. My kids love me and need me more then a anyplace needs uninterrupted power. Really.![]()
zog said:joebell said:brother said:I wear safety gear, at least some. My gloves, safety glasses, long sleeves etc.. I do think of myself in this situation, besides here recently we had a IBEW electrician brother get 3rd degree burns on his arms and hands and rushed to hospital. I do not believe he was wearing long sleeves or had safety gloves on.
Agreed, I saw no mention of arc flash PPE. I would think after seeing someone go through 3rd degree burns 70E requirements would be followed.
Brother, did he survive? Most dont with 3rd degree burns if >20% of body is burned.
Yes he survived. I personally did not see it, but i heard about it from other brothers. In fact, i tend to follow safety more than the people on my jobsite cause i very rarely work hot. I only work hot when its necessary. They seem to do it when its inconvient.
One guy actually said "why you need the insulated tools, you dont work hot", my response was, " you missunderstood me, I dont work hot as much as you do, but on rare situations i do when its not feasible to turn off the power. For a good 95% of our work there is no need to work hot"! I do a risk assessment and i do not take unecessary risk.
So yes, i understand everyone is saying, I just need to echoe it to our fellow workers.
wireman71 said:I've worked way to many things hot without gloves. I'm going to start wearing leather gloves from now on when i'm playing with 120/277.
76nemo said:Look guys/gals, I work in the maintenance field. I have to work "hot" most of the time. Although I would never suggest it, it is required alot of times, No, not exactly required, but I have to amend with not being able to cut the power, I have Class 2 gloves, insulated tooling, arc rated clothing, and the such. If you choose to do this work unprotected than I can only sigh to the scenario, not hold sympathy. If you choose to at least not wear gloves and flash rated clothing, and don't used insulated tooling, than I get pretty upset. Query on Donnies Accident on YouTube. Maybe that will change your mind. I have no problem working a panel hot, but you d*mn better be using the proper gear.
I have to often wonder, and scratch my *ss why this subject comes up??? Do you have a family, a mother, kids, step family????? What point are we missing???????
Proper PPE costs less than your benders, what's more important![]()
I hope your question is answered!!!!!!
76nemo said:Look guys/gals, I work in the maintenance field. I have to work "hot" most of the time.
brother said:what do you think of this safety doc.
http://www.nsls.bnl.gov/esh/highlights/pdf/nfpa_presentation.pdf
iwire said:Now be honest, do you really have to work hot most of the time or is that just easier?
I am really not trying to give you a hard time.
Obviously troubleshooting is something that is allowed, but once the problem is found we should be shutting things down to make the repairs.
To each their own and I am not claiming I always do the right thing but our trade should not kill us.
brother said:I look at that donnies video, but it never said what happen!! what exactly happened??
iwire said:Now be honest, do you really have to work hot most of the time or is that just easier?
I am really not trying to give you a hard time.
Obviously troubleshooting is something that is allowed, but once the problem is found we should be shutting things down to make the repairs.
To each their own and I am not claiming I always do the right thing but our trade should not kill us.
nakulak said:dcspector - did you say you torque lugs hot ? was the lug you snapped off hot work ? I work hot but that seems like something I would never do hot. please explain what precautions you do to torque lugs hot.
Thank you. That pretty well sums up my thoughts on the matter also.dcspector said:I am not some loose vaquero running around out here stickin my hands in where they don't belong with blinders on.......I have experience and training.