Safety gloves working hot

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mdshunk said:
There would be no profit in my comments on the matter of working hot and hot work gloves, therefore I will uncharacteristically bite my tongue.

Dude, that's so weak, what kind of answer is that. Cryptic for sure.
 
brother said:
I wear safety gear, at least some. My gloves, safety glasses, long sleeves etc.. I do think of myself in this situation, besides here recently we had a IBEW electrician brother get 3rd degree burns on his arms and hands and rushed to hospital. I do not believe he was wearing long sleeves or had safety gloves on.
Brother,

Sometimes the long sleeve shirt could be more hazardous depending on the material it is made of.

Joe
 
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brother said:
Key word here is 'infeasible' . Thats what i said in my post did you miss it?? I do work at hospitals and such other facilities and its not always 'feasible' to just shut off the panel.

However when it is 'feasible' then i do shut it off and take care of the issue.

You sure you knwo what feasable means? Hospital work does not justify live work unless possible on life support systems.

Feasable means "possible of being done"
 
joebell said:
brother said:
I wear safety gear, at least some. My gloves, safety glasses, long sleeves etc.. I do think of myself in this situation, besides here recently we had a IBEW electrician brother get 3rd degree burns on his arms and hands and rushed to hospital. I do not believe he was wearing long sleeves or had safety gloves on.
Brother,

Sometimes the long sleeve shirt could be more hazardous depending on the material it is made of.

Joe

Agreed, I saw no mention of arc flash PPE. I would think after seeing someone go through 3rd degree burns 70E requirements would be followed.

Brother, did he survive? Most dont with 3rd degree burns if >20% of body is burned.
 
iwire said:
I have insulated tools in the van, if I have to work hot I have access to all the items I need.

That said, I have all but stopped working hot. Just not worth it to me anymore. My kids love me and need me more then a anyplace needs uninterrupted power. Really.:)
God Bless Ya brother! I agree
 
zog said:
joebell said:
brother said:
I wear safety gear, at least some. My gloves, safety glasses, long sleeves etc.. I do think of myself in this situation, besides here recently we had a IBEW electrician brother get 3rd degree burns on his arms and hands and rushed to hospital. I do not believe he was wearing long sleeves or had safety gloves on.

Agreed, I saw no mention of arc flash PPE. I would think after seeing someone go through 3rd degree burns 70E requirements would be followed.

Brother, did he survive? Most dont with 3rd degree burns if >20% of body is burned.


Yes he survived. I personally did not see it, but i heard about it from other brothers. In fact, i tend to follow safety more than the people on my jobsite cause i very rarely work hot. I only work hot when its necessary. They seem to do it when its inconvient.


One guy actually said "why you need the insulated tools, you dont work hot", my response was, " you missunderstood me, I dont work hot as much as you do, but on rare situations i do when its not feasible to turn off the power. For a good 95% of our work there is no need to work hot"! I do a risk assessment and i do not take unecessary risk.

So yes, i understand everyone is saying, I just need to echoe it to our fellow workers.
 
dcspector - did you say you torque lugs hot ? was the lug you snapped off hot work ? I work hot but that seems like something I would never do hot. please explain what precautions you do to torque lugs hot.
 
I've worked way to many things hot without gloves. I'm going to start wearing leather gloves from now on when i'm playing with 120/277.
 
No sarcasm.

No sarcasm.

Look guys/gals, I work in the maintenance field. I have to work "hot" most of the time. Although I would never suggest it, it is required alot of times, No, not exactly required, but I have to amend with not being able to cut the power, I have Class 2 gloves, insulated tooling, arc rated clothing, and the such. If you choose to do this work unprotected than I can only sigh to the scenario, not hold sympathy. If you choose to at least not wear gloves and flash rated clothing, and don't used insulated tooling, than I get pretty upset. Query on Donnies Accident on YouTube. Maybe that will change your mind. I have no problem working a panel hot, but you d*mn better be using the proper gear.

I have to often wonder, and scratch my *ss why this subject comes up??? Do you have a family, a mother, kids, step family????? What point are we missing???????

Proper PPE costs less than your benders, what's more important:confused:

I hope your question is answered!!!!!!
 
76nemo said:
Look guys/gals, I work in the maintenance field. I have to work "hot" most of the time. Although I would never suggest it, it is required alot of times, No, not exactly required, but I have to amend with not being able to cut the power, I have Class 2 gloves, insulated tooling, arc rated clothing, and the such. If you choose to do this work unprotected than I can only sigh to the scenario, not hold sympathy. If you choose to at least not wear gloves and flash rated clothing, and don't used insulated tooling, than I get pretty upset. Query on Donnies Accident on YouTube. Maybe that will change your mind. I have no problem working a panel hot, but you d*mn better be using the proper gear.

I have to often wonder, and scratch my *ss why this subject comes up??? Do you have a family, a mother, kids, step family????? What point are we missing???????

Proper PPE costs less than your benders, what's more important:confused:

I hope your question is answered!!!!!!


I look at that donnies video, but it never said what happen!! what exactly happened??
 
76nemo said:
Look guys/gals, I work in the maintenance field. I have to work "hot" most of the time.

Now be honest, do you really have to work hot most of the time or is that just easier?

I am really not trying to give you a hard time. :)

Obviously troubleshooting is something that is allowed, but once the problem is found we should be shutting things down to make the repairs.

To each their own and I am not claiming I always do the right thing but our trade should not kill us.
 
brother said:

The accident pics are very informatative.

The rest of the doc looks like it was writen by someone who understands very little about the NFPA 70E and copy and pasted a bunch of stuff from the Bussmann Safety Basics program.

The PPE requirements on the example label are wrong.

The 70E tables have been misinterpreted in several places.

The OSHA requirments for resetting a CB are misstated.

THe LOTO procedur is a mess, the available fault currents are worng and the PPE required is inadequate.
 
iwire said:
Now be honest, do you really have to work hot most of the time or is that just easier?

I am really not trying to give you a hard time. :)

Obviously troubleshooting is something that is allowed, but once the problem is found we should be shutting things down to make the repairs.

To each their own and I am not claiming I always do the right thing but our trade should not kill us.

Bob,

At least we agree on this topic!
 
brother said:
I look at that donnies video, but it never said what happen!! what exactly happened??


He was using a Greenlee motor rotation indicator to check phase sequence when a carbon resistor gave out and blew a puff of carbon between the busses.

I talked with him last year, him and his family are doing well:smile: :smile:

He is a walking miracle;)
 
iwire said:
Now be honest, do you really have to work hot most of the time or is that just easier?

I am really not trying to give you a hard time. :)

Obviously troubleshooting is something that is allowed, but once the problem is found we should be shutting things down to make the repairs.

To each their own and I am not claiming I always do the right thing but our trade should not kill us.


No Bob, you are right, we really don't have to do it or anything else for that matter, true. If I said I thought online troubleshooting was easier, I would expect the post to be deleted.

I am just referring to troubleshooting, not making repairs hot. I guess I was misleading. Not the first, not the last!
 
nakulak said:
dcspector - did you say you torque lugs hot ? was the lug you snapped off hot work ? I work hot but that seems like something I would never do hot. please explain what precautions you do to torque lugs hot.

Yes the lug was hot, no load on it.That was several years ago. I posted earlier my ppe I use. Inspecting hot is almost an everyday thing for me. I take all the precautions available and wear and use the proper equipment. I like many am not afraid of electricity I respect it! and understand the hazards involved. I am 55 years young, been in the trade, gaffed poles, tapped hot lines from transformers while on that pole, I have seen the aftermath of an electrocuted co worker, etc......Trust me I was not bragging or ego tripping or anything of the nature. I chose this as a career and beleive me, I know the consequences of one false move. a lineman for FPL once told me and I qoute...... "no matter how bad your personal life is, no matter how hung over you are always focus on what you are doing at that particular second and he meant second.....one brain fart is all it takes....." That's all I have to say about that. I am not some loose vaquero running around out here stickin my hands in where they don't belong with blinders on.......I have experience and training.
 
dcspector said:
I am not some loose vaquero running around out here stickin my hands in where they don't belong with blinders on.......I have experience and training.
Thank you. That pretty well sums up my thoughts on the matter also.
 
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