Securing Type NM Cable

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okay, real devil's advocate. Sure it looks good, but so what. If somone wants to pay me to staple neat runs of romex, it's only a matter of doing it. I feel prouder of some difficult but not so good looking pipe bends, and proud of the ones I did that looked good. I think neat complex piping is an art, but i don't feel that way about good looking romex. I still feel that a certain amount of neatness is due where visible romex is run. If I was paying the guy by the hour he would have to look for work elsewhere.

okay, i'm ready for the replies

paul :cool:
 
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Paul, how do you know this was not at the owners or architects request for the work to be done this way? If it was, wouldn't you think the labor was included in the price?

I'd think you can rest assured that this contractor was compensated for this work, and think of what advertising it could be for him.

Roger
 
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ONLY IN THIS FORUM COULD YOU PEOPLE TAKE A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE BEST ROMEX INSTALLATIONS YOU WILL EVER SEE AND FIND A REASON B I T C H ABOUT IT . YOU GUYS ARE UTTERLY RIDICULOUS. AND IT IS ALMOST OFFENSIVE TO ME (and I don't know if I've ever actually been offended) FOR A HOME INSPECTOR TO COME IN HERE AND TALK S H I T ABOUT A FANTASTIC INSTALLATION.

DAMN RIGHT I AM YELLING :)

[ October 29, 2005, 07:35 AM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
 
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ONLY IN THIS FORUM COULD YOU PEOPLE TAKE A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE BEST ROMEX INSTALLATIONS YOU WILL EVER SEE AND FIND A REASON B I T C H ABOUT IT . YOU GUYS ARE UTTERLY RIDICULOUS. AND IT IS ALMOST OFFENSIVE TO ME (and I don't know if I've ever actually been offended) FOR A HOME INSPECTOR TO COME IN HERE AND TALK S H I T ABOUT A FANTASTIC INSTALLATION.
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:) I don't think any one is downgrading this installation, I for one think it looks awesome, and I would like to see it for myself, but as Pierre puts it code wise it may not be up to par :roll: , I feel the same way you do but not in those words. :confused: .

[ October 29, 2005, 08:02 AM: Message edited by: Jhr ]
 
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"I'd think you can rest assured that this contractor was compensated for this work, and think of what advertising it could be for him."


Roger
Just like you, it would be enough for me to just look at the results.
Like I said, someone let pride slip into the work he/she did. Whats this world coming to :D

For those pipe guys - It is not such a bad idea to once in awhile pat someone else on the back - another issue that really bugs m.

[ October 29, 2005, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: pierre ]
 
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Pierre, I agree with all of your post.

I can't figure out what the "need for physical protection in this location is" either. :)

Roger

[ October 29, 2005, 08:29 AM: Message edited by: roger ]
 
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Originally posted by roger:
Jhr, I can't take credit for this, it was posted by Iwire for an electrical inspector. You can see more pictures of this HERE

Roger
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This post is directed to Roger, Bob, Harold Endean and the electrician responsible for this installation.

I am so envious of this installation that I down loaded the pictures and had them framed. They are over my desk so that I can admire such a beautiful job and remind myself of how sloppy I get sometimes.

As was stated by Mr. Endean these conductors are located in the electrical equipment room therefore protected from physical damage.
These pictures you see here are in the main service room.
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The care that was taken to allow space between the horizontal and vertical runs by the placing of blocking shows that this electrician still has pride in his work.

I sometimes wonder if I and others would be worthy to even shake this electrician?s hand.
I don?t think that I could find anything to reject this job as I would be to busy admiring the work.
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Every one here must agree that this is a fine LOOKING job.As to subject to damage,every thing is subject to damage.Now even if this install is in its own room ,there is a likelyhood that it will see storage of unused items.Will assume that it was permited at this location.Here we are required to cover the wires.Yes my panels look neat on rough but no one other than others in construction will likely ever see it.Drywall will cover all my work up.Now if a customer cares to pay T&M i will gladly snap a chalk line and center every hole i drill,will keep all wire flat with no twists,level and shim as needed each and every box.Very few people would pay for this kind of work.EMT looks better than MC too but because of price we see far more MC.Most people ask how much will it cost and while want a nice job they still rather use the $$$$ on something else.
 
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Originally posted by apauling:
okay, real devil's advocate. Sure it looks good, but so what. If somone wants to pay me to staple neat runs of romex, it's only a matter of doing it. I feel prouder of some difficult but not so good looking pipe bends, and proud of the ones I did that looked good. I think neat complex piping is an art, but i don't feel that way about good looking romex. I still feel that a certain amount of neatness is due where visible romex is run. If I was paying the guy by the hour he would have to look for work elsewhere.

okay, i'm ready for the replies

paul :cool:
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You sound like a grumpy old man who can find fault with anything, no matter how good or nice it is.

But that is typical human nature, whenever we see something good, we always find a way to tear it down rather than compliment it, as many posters here have done, citing non-applicable code articles and saying stupid things like "this would be a lot better in pipe."

Some of you are ubelievable. :roll:
 
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While I'm on a roll, this thread goes to show why this trade is in a rat hole right now.

Why would any young person want to be an electrician after reading this thread: Do nice work, and have a bunch of grumps come and b*tch about it. :roll: What kind of message does that send?

To me it says, "This trade sucks, good work is not appreciated, no matter what you do, it's not good enough. Pipe is the way to go, romex is garbage."
 
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Originally posted by pierre:
One more time - for what reason is the need for physical protection in this installation?
Do they use fork lifts here?
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Well, it does look like an awfully big house. A forklift would probably come in handy when it's time to put the Christmas decorations away.
 
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peter: please don't be so over-sensitive. Almost no one on this site does that kind of romex work. The pertinent word here is "devil's advocate" as in not my opinion. I'm not grumpy today. I am normally not one of the rah-raher's, and i let others do the petting and cooing, unless the person is an underdog and no one is supporting him.

but there is one additional problem that I have with that type of work, and from experience I always had trouble fitting new work/ modifications into the scheme. The schemes always seemed full and any alterations were obvious, not the same material, not quite able to fit in the same style and spacing. Even some piping jobs were that way. So I got into the habit of leaving room for the electricians behind me, leaving loops or slack in feeders, space to get into a panel, space in a panel, leaving the ability for future electricians to thank their stars that someone ahead of them was thoughtfull. Super neat jobs tend towards occupying all the space.

just my opinion, grumpy old man or not,

paul
 
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Jim
You mentioned storage....HE! HE! HE!!!! Storage is not permitted in front of these panels... So now what is the pending doom here that these conductors need protection from? :D

I know Steve almost had a good answer - but I am Scrooge :D :D :D
 
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Not permitted LOL ;) Big sign in front of panel saying "no storage" should do the trick.Post it right under the "caution fork lifts in use "

[ October 29, 2005, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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I still haven't seen any actual relevant code violations listed. I tend to think some of you guys just like to look for things to complain about. That's fine and it is your right to do so. Some of you would probably find fault with Jesus walking on water.
 
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Scott, it's simple, just consider the ones criticizing this installation, it is envy it its highest form.

Have you ever noticed the biggest naysayers are are the worst in their field. :D

Roger
 
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Given unlimited time i am sure most here could do this same install.Good grief it's only romex.What is so hard about bending it where you want it.Yes he did a nice job.But why spend that much time for something like this.If looks was what the customer wanted then i would pipe it.
 
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Jim, if you have to ask you will never understand.

Roger
 
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I showed this to my son who has about 2 years in the trade.He laughed.His first question was where is the protection.He also pointed out the 5th wire down on the beam.Is it cut or what ? looks like about 4 inches missing.Also some of the bends are too sharp at the staples.He found all this without me saying anything more than look at this picture.
 
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