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Well the good news is they fixed it, two 22-1/2degree elbows and it looks SO MUCH better.
 
jazer said:
Silly. Can't come up with a specific violation, though. Maybe lack of support within 3' of enclosure?
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edward said:
I believe the couplings and the hub is listed for rigid conduit. Now, is the offset considered rigid, I don't know.
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The only thing that I can think of is 110.3.

From White book
Fittings with internal female threads (e.g., hubs, conduit bodies, couplings) have only been investigated for use with threaded rigid conduit.

All male threaded fittings and nipples have only been investigated for use with locknuts.
 
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The panel is not listed to have a hub in that location. It is in a area of factory ko's. No smooth rolled edge for the wire. No tapped screw holes there either. Thoses offsets cannot be wrench tight.
 
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The panel is not listed to have a hub in that location. It is in a area of factory ko's. No smooth rolled edge for the wire. No tapped screw holes there either.
 
Cavie said:
The panel is not listed to have a hub in that location. It is in a area of factory ko's. No smooth rolled edge for the wire. No tapped screw holes there either.
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I agree that the screws holding this hub in look like TECH self drilling and taping screws, I doubt they are machine thread but could be, I still have more of a problem with that this looks like a regular flush mount panel and cover that is not listed for use in wet or damp locations as the cover extends past the box (at top) with the fact it is pointing to the outside, but then I would have to see the other side to know for sure, I have never seen an R3 panel with that type of cover.
 
1) I don't see any enforceable violation;

2) I think that's 1-1/4" or 1-1/2", not 2";

3) I think that is a factory hub opening with factory hub screws. many "all in one" enclosures are split with the metering section to the side;

4) There's no 'wrench tight' requirement outside of classified locations; and,

5) The UL White Book note simply was UL's way of saying 'we don't know.' It's a mighty big stretch to call that a listing 'violation.'

Now ... were I to want to look harder for a violation, I might consider:
1) The PoCo service requirements. That mast is probably not properly supported;

2) You might be able to argue the NEC requires bonding bushings where the threads encounter the straight threads of the couplings; and,

3) I suspect a 2" mast and 100-amp service is now required.
 
That definitely is not a WP panel. WP panels do not have factory ko's on top. WP panels have bushed opening in the center with raised tapped screw holes to attached the hub to. If you look at the left side of the hub, you will see about 1/4 of a ko exposed outside the hub. It is an indor panel with a flush cover. There are no factory indor panels with hub openings. For grounding purposes the fittings must be wrench tight. Yes, it does need straps.
 
renosteinke said:
1) I don't see any enforceable violation;


5) The UL White Book note simply was UL's way of saying 'we don't know.' It's a mighty big stretch to call that a listing 'violation.'


3) I suspect a 2" mast and 100-amp service is now required.
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How does the wording need to be in order to cite a listing violation? I think the wording from UL is pretty clear.


It would be a POCO requirement. Around my neck of the woods minimum riser size is 1.25" and I can get away with 1.25" on a 200Amp panel. But other local POCO require a minimum of 2" for a 200Amp panel.
 
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Cavie said:
That definitely is not a WP panel. WP panels do not have factory ko's on top. WP panels have bushed opening in the center with raised tapped screw holes to attached the hub to. If you look at the left side of the hub, you will see about 1/4 of a ko exposed outside the hub. It is an indor panel with a flush cover. There are no factory indor panels with hub openings. For grounding purposes the fittings must be wrench tight. Yes, it does need straps.
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SQUARE-D does have a water proof panel with KO on top. It all depends how you install it. It can be recessed in the wall (similar to the OP) or surface installed with a blank cover on top of the panel that hides the KO.

Maybe the strap is installed within 36" but it is out of the picture.
 
edward said:
How does the wording need to be in order to cite a listing violation? I think the wording from UL is pretty clear.


It would be a POCO requirement. Around my neck of the woods minimum riser size is 1.25" and I can get away with 1.25" on a 200Amp panel. But other local POCO require a minimum of 2" for a 200Amp panel.
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And you get two 2/0 and one 1/0 in a 11/4" conduit HOW?:?
 
edward said:
SQUARE-D does have a water proof panel with KO on top. It all depends how you install it. It can be recessed in the wall (similar to the OP) or surface installed with a blank cover on top of the panel that hides the KO.

Maybe the strap is installed within 36" but it is out of the picture.
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It is not a knock out. It is a bushed hole in the center. It comes with a blank hub/cover or you install the required size conduit hub. WP panels are not recessed into the wall because the cover has a lip the wrapes around the panel on both sides, and bottom to keep the water out. The cover is hinged on top.
 
Cavie said:
It is not a knock out. It is a bushed hole in the center. It comes with a blank hub/cover or you install the required size conduit hub. WP panels are not recessed into the wall because the cover has a lip the wrapes around the panel on both sides, and bottom to keep the water out. The cover is hinged on top.
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It is a concentric knockout in the center that can have a hub installed over it. The panel also has KO on the top right side. You can only use the KO if the panel is recessed otherwise it needs that blank plate that covers the top when being installed on the surface.
 
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