Some basics of VFD install

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The concept of VFDs saving energy on centrifugal loads compared to throttling valves is established factual SCIENCE backed up by 20 plus years of empirical data. The only people disputing it are the valve mfrs, who have an axe to grind. Are there circumstances where it doesn’t make sense to use a VFD? Absolutely, and those are the cases cited by the valve promoters as evidence of it being a myth. It’s no myth, it’s just that some people think it’s magic, and it’s not magic either. It doesn’t save energy ANY time you apply a VFD just because you did. One of the biggest misconceptions comes when someone installs a VFD to PERMANENTLY reduce flow, but not flow that CHANGES in response to some signal. If you need to permanently reduce flow in a centrifugal pump, trimming the impeller will actually save you more energy than a VFD OR a throttling valve.

Also, IF your flow profile requires control down BELOW the lower range of VFD efficacy, then yes, you might need a throttling valve for that TOO, I do that all the time when needed. But WITHIN the “sweet spot” of where a VFD works best, which is ABOVE the point where head becomes too low and BELOW about 95% flow, the VFD energy savings is superior to that of a throttling valve. When your flow requirement results in a VFD speed that no longer overcomes system head pressure, then that’s when you need to run the drive at a higher speed and use the valve. In reality, that is something I seldom see compared with the VAST majority of centrifugal pump applications that operate between 60 and 90% flow, right where VFDs perform best.

Proportional throttling valves have their place, VFDs have their place, careful consideration of ALL aspects of a system are necessary to ensure you are doing the right thing, or combination of things, to maximize your total energy efficiency. But blanket dismissal of VFD energy savings is just wrong and in countless applications, properly applied VFDs have saved a lot more money than they have cost. That’s why you used to see power utilities PAY people to install them, their internal justification was the maximize their “avoided cost of delivery” BECAUSE the energy savings was so dramatic in so many applications.
 
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No so, at least in my experience.
An example.
In one cement works, Blue Circle in this particular case, they couldn't run either of the Precip and Preheater fans in bypass without exceeding the plant max demand and incurring swingeing financial penalties.

I've also come across a good many cases, particularly in pumping stations where the VSD energy savings paid for the capital cost in about one year. Design life expectancy was 20 years.


depends on application
valves are typically cheaper and energy savings equal

in a large building with 20 ahu with individual temp control valves served by a common pump a valve is the only option
can't put a vfd on each unit
and a bypass control valve to control loop pressure
 
The concept of VFDs saving energy on centrifugal loads compared to throttling valves is established factual SCIENCE backed up by 20 plus years of empirical data..
Yes, Known facts. That some here seem to dispute.
 
Yes, Known facts. That some here seem to dispute.

facts can be subjective depending on your industry and vested interest

easy enough to prove
plot system curve on pump curve at operating point +/- 20%
plot vfd affinity curve at 80% +/- 20%
compare hp at each point
no difference when vfd losses are factored in
 
That is simply not true.

fact
if the pump is sized to = operating point unthrottled and the valve is used for trim the valve is far superior

even if the operating point varies greatly with load a 1/3, 2/3 valve is superior

a vfd for a hydronic cw or hw loop serving multiple loads is a terrible option
 
What you seem to miss is the differential pressure across the valve. Flow times pressure.
That's why VSDs save energy and why they are specified and installed for pumping applications.
There would be no point in doing so if cheaper valves could do the job. They don't.

it is not I who missed it
hp req for valve dp = 500 x 7 x 8.34 /(60 x 550) = 0.88 hp

what you do not grasp
a vfd lowers the pump curve
a valve adjusts the system curve

the vfd will lower pump eff
the valve will have little effect, if any

that is why valve control for multiple loads is the standard
it depends on the application
but for flow control based on a variable load a valve is typically better and cheaper
energy is a wash
 
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it is not I who missed it
hp req for valve dp = 500 x 7 x 8.34 /(60 x 550) = 0.88 hp

what you do not grasp
a vfd lowers the pump curve
a valve adjust the system curve

the vfd will lower pump eff
the valve will have little effect, if any
Drop the speed 10%, reduce energy consumption by 30%,
Water companies know that. Might I kindly suggest that you accept and move on.
 
Drop the speed 10%, reduce energy consumption by 30%,
Water companies know that. Might I kindly suggest that you accept and move on.

it drops 27%
and eff drops from 60-50 so net is 50/60 x 27 = 22%
plus vfd losses drops it to <20%
same as a properly sized throttling valve

water companies typically use vfd to INCREASE head, as in booster pumps
worked as a muni water (and ww) engineer for many years

time to move on
 
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Them why don't they always go for the cheaper alternative?

because a valve can't increase pressure
but when regulating they use valves, as in prv's

most of the time they use gravity, ie a tank on a hill
then use an altitude valve on the tank to fill and regulate pressure

in the dist system they will usually have a concrete vault with a 1/3, 2/3 prv valve arrangement
 
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because a valve can't increase pressure
but when regulating they use valves, as in prv's
Very few of the VSD systems I've designed, manufactured, and installed have been used to increase pressure. Actually none come to mind.
Energy saving drives the project.

Perhaps those systems you have designed have been for a different market.
No problem.
 
most of the time the pumping applications I see it is just easier to put in a VFD than it is to get the valve with the right trim and plumb it in and then control it. since they are roughly equivalent efficiency wise, easy wins out most of the time.

I think it is also conceptually easier for the non-engineers that usually actually make these decisions to comprehend what the VFD is doing versus what the valve would do.

I am a big fan of replacing air and plumbing with electrons.
 
in my experience it is not prudent to count on electricty to supply water
gravity seldom fails
have a tank with 2 days supply
sometimes due to elev of some areas a booster pump may be required to maintain the legally required press of ~ 25 psi at a residence 2nd floor
elev head charges the system
OVERpress is usually the issue, hence prv's, no need for pumps

normal flow may be 100-200 gpm for an area
crack a fire hydrant or 2 and >1000
a pump is a bad application since way oversized and dependent on elec pwr
iirc a hydrant must supply min 500 gpm for 2 hrs at 50 psi
 
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