Is it permissible to pigtail to another splice (as ugly as that may be)?
Splices in boxes
- Thread starter Eagle126
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Sounds like some kind of "hair do"
or something on the menu at on of the bbq places.:lol:
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Service Manager
Where is the distinction in the NEC between yes and no on this?
Also 300.3(A) and 310.13. Together, these all work to keep acceptable conductors defined. If the guts of a cable wiring method don't meet the criteria for a "single conductor", then it can't be installed without it's sheathing.
I'm starting to forget the foundation for an argument that using bits of NM guts within a box for splicing having a violation floating around it somewhere, but I am admittedly a little tipsy after a wedding party with my son sleeping on my chest; so I'm permitted a small lapse in memory.
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- Illinois
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- retired electrician
I think the most conductors any wire nut is listed for is 6.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
In those cases I have had to split the cable into to groups ie, I could connect 4 together with a jumper to another group of 4 or less.
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
Yes, as Dennis mentioned you can split it into two groups. I've done this many times.
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- Massachusetts
So I cannot use sections of NM to make pigtails as they will not be marked or in the sheath.
Twoskinsoneman
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- West Virginia, USA NEC: 2020
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use a Wago!
kwired
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- NE Nebraska
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- EC
A conductor that does not leave the box via a raceway or cable does not have to be counted.
You can have as many splices on the same conductor as you want or need. Ugly is when you have too many in a connector and one or more of them come loose because you had too many in the first place. If you have the need to splice 8 conductors in the same box you should have a large enough box that an extra wire connector or two is not going to make too large of a difference at filling the box to where you can't get devices installed. If it is a metal box install a ground bar, this will splice them and bond the box all in one device.
I like this idea! :thumbsup: I wonder why I've never seen it done before (oh wait, I know... cost savings).
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
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How many boxes with 8 grounds entering does a typical installtion have?
For the few times you will run into it how much does a 5 hole ground bar rated for 2 conductors per hole cost?
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Service Manager
So I cannot use sections of NM to make pigtails as they will not be marked or in the sheath.
Well, I'd say you couldn't strip the sheathing off and nail the conductors to the wall in between boxes, but I'd say that being unable to splice NM inside boxes would make it fairly useless.
I wasn't saying I thought it too expensive for me. As I said, I think it is a splendid idea. I was just commenting on why I've never seen other electricians do that (and I've seen lots of crowded boxes with wirenuts twisted on to bundles so big the body of the wirenut was about to burst). It seems that 99% of work is driven by minimum cost (and minimum knowledge).
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