Splitting duplex recepts

[billdozier]

alfie thanks man gives me something to propose to my boss for some reason I thought we couldnt run a 12/3 mwbc for disposal dw does anyone see a problem with this?

 

[480sparky]

alfie thanks man gives me something to propose to my boss for some reason I thought we couldnt run a 12/3 mwbc for disposal dw does anyone see a problem with this?

Only if both circuits are on the same yoke. Then you'll need a handle tie or a 2-pole breaker.

 

[Mule]

Do you pigtail every outlet to a single connection point for trim out?

Ok, I admit it, I was trying to see how many pigtail then land onto the duplex......and its sounding like nobody....

Our town, for what ever reason only runs 20 amp circuits, so landing 4 #12's on a duplex is hard to stuff IMO....I've always pigtail'd

 

[480sparky]

Ok, I admit it, I was trying to see how many pigtail then land onto the duplex......and its sounding like nobody....

Our town, for what ever reason only runs 20 amp circuits, so landing 4 #12's on a duplex is hard to stuff IMO....I've always pigtail'd

I pigtail. Always.

But I did a quick search, and couldn't find a poll on pigtailing.

You want to start one?

 

[wirenut2008]

I didnt know you were asking if I pigtailed before landing, but yes I always pigtail. I never rely on the device to carry on the power.

 

[alfiesauce]

I believe Alfies point was that steelerman was incorrect in saying that a half switched outlet is not code compliant without an additional outlet.

That was my point. My rhetoricalness just didn't come through the post as clear as it could have I guess...

When I have ran the two 14/2's to the DnD box I have made sure that both the hot and neutral side tabs are broken and that the circuits originate from a two pole tied breaker.

If I pigtail 12's I pigtail down to 14gauge to make it even easier for trim out.
I have pondered the benifits of pigtailing everything and safing it up as to be able to make it testworthy for meggering and helping eliminate possible problems with an AF BKR at final.

 

[Rewire]

Old habits are hard to break I cam out of the comercial woreld and pigtailed it was a few years into my business and was trimming out a house with a helper he finished the bedrooms (about 16 rec) before I could finish the living room around 8 rec. He came in and saw what I was doing and asked why I did it that way and I could not give a reason other than thats how I always did it. He did the next receptacle and I realized his way was faster and could be preped during ruff in,not to mention the savings in wire nuts

 

[480sparky]

......If I pigtail 12's I pigtail down to 14gauge to make it even easier for trim out. .....

I hope you're on a 15a breaker....

 

[billdozier]

Thanks for the info on the d/d we always in resi wrap both screws use the device except for switches I pigtail number of hots per switch wish everyone would I hate one long hot wire to 3 switches total pita imo

 

[Mule]

I hope you're on a 15a breaker....

Yes, I used to do that (#14 tails onto #12's) also years ago when backstabs were downsized to to only except 14....Although not to code, it sure was easy to stuff...

 

[480sparky]

Thanks for the info on the d/d we always in resi wrap both screws use the device except for switches I pigtail number of hots per switch wish everyone would I hate one long hot wire to 3 switches total pita imo

If there was some capitalization and punctuation in there, I might understand it.:wink:

 

[quogueelectric]

If there was some capitalization and punctuation in there, I might understand it.:wink:

I totally understood it do you ever text message??

 

[Rewire]

I totally understood it do you ever text message??

I never could get into the text thing I mean I got the phone in my hand why not just dial the number and talk.

 

[LarryFine]

How many of you actually split duplex recepts any more on a regular basis?

If I get to do the designing, yes, I do it for most rooms; in particular, living rooms, dens, and bedrooms.

Just about any room where switched receptacles are used. Nothing makes a room more rearrangeable.

 

[Cavie]

i believe in the 08 code that you are no longer allowed to split the recept and have the bottom one (always hot) count as your required recept for wall space. If using a switched outlet instead of a light, it doesn't cont for the required outlets.

Wana look that up for me?

 

[Rewire]

I had a service call from a new condo owner who was complaining about no power to the bedroom receptacles.When I got there he showed me the receptacle it was behind the nite stand and his clock radio was plugged in and not working I looked by the door and saw a switch and flipped it on and the radio came on the customer looked at the switch and said "so thats what thats for"

 

[LarryFine]

Ok, I admit it, I was trying to see how many pigtail then land onto the duplex......and its sounding like nobody....

Yes, I do pigtail the black and red because there's only one screw available due to split-wiring, unless the receptacle has two back-wire holes per screw.

Our town, for what ever reason only runs 20 amp circuits, so landing 4 #12's on a duplex is hard to stuff IMO....I've always pigtail'd

I prefer 20a for most receptacle circuits anyway, but two 12/3's and a duplex call for extra-deep boxes anyway.

I find that pre-bending each conductor in long, parallel folds before terminating them, and them push each one in behind the receptalce, helps a great deal.

One exception is old-work boxes; I pre-assemble them completely before installing in the wall. :roll:

 

[LarryFine]

When I have ran the two 14/2's to the DnD box I have made sure that both the hot and neutral side tabs are broken and that the circuits originate from a two pole tied breaker.

Why not leave the neutral side intact and use a 14/3?

If I pigtail 12's I pigtail down to 14gauge to make it even easier for trim out.

I hope you're using 15a breakers when you do that.

 

[LarryFine]

we always in resi wrap both screws use the device except for switches I pigtail number of hots per switch wish everyone would I hate one long hot wire to 3 switches total pita imo

I do the pigtails for the hots, but the single wire for the EGC's.

 

[stickboy1375]

I use to pigtail my # 12's. but not anymore, I find it a complete waste of time and effort. ( wait till the boss finds out) hahah