Splitting duplex recepts

[Mule]

I do the pigtails for the hots, but the single wire for the EGC's.

In truth we dont wire house's...however we have one going on now for a friend. It's a smaller home....I didnt use any Multiwire circuits as I didnt want any problems with AFCI issues in the end.....However, I've pigtailing everthing, and used my "greenies" like a good boy....even though it wont be inspected.....

As for the pigtails, I make them up, roll them back,lay the roll over, and gently stuff with the butt of my hammer with my other hand on the back of the box. I dont like rockers chewing up my wires...

 

[peter d]

I use to pigtail my # 12's. but not anymore, I find it a complete waste of time and effort.

I agree. For the cost of labor to make pigtails, it's much cheaper to use a backwired outlet.

 

[billdozier]

480 I will try to use proper gramer, Sorry man. I just don't think sometimes. It will probally help me down the road if I begin now. Peter please say your'e joking about backstabbing. You know better. Wheres our old friend when we need him to correct you

 

[peter d]

Peter please say your'e joking about backstabbing. You know better. Wheres our old friend when we need him to correct you

I did not say backstabbing. I said backwired (pressure plates). There is a huge difference.

 

[billdozier]

ok I thought id have to send you to another site to talk to our old friend my apologies

 

[Mule]

ok I thought id have to send you to another site to talk to our old friend my apologies

Oh PLEASE change your mind.....:smile:

 

[peter d]

Oh PLEASE change your mind.....:smile:

I think Mr. Mule has a burr in his saddle right now.

 

[Mule]

I think Mr. Mule has a burr in his saddle right now.

No Peter Im just putting it back where it belongs......but I was teasing a bit.

Oh, let me check,.............your right..plunk..got that little bugger(burr)....AH feels much better now...thanks

 

[Minuteman]

I split duplexes for dishwasher/disposals. Dedicated 12/2 to the switch, 12/3 to the split duplex.

Back when I was doing 99% commercial/industrial, it was unheard of to land on both sets of screws. I was even of the opinion that the little brace link might be too weak. Then I started doing rapid fire resi. Funny how I quickly became retained!

 

[Sparky555]

On custom jobs when I'm communicating with the homeowner I'll ask if they want the receptacles split & switched. The last one I switched half of all the outlets. That way they could put a lamp anywhere in the room to be switch controlled. The only downside is if you want to have two things plugged into one outlet. I compensated by spacing the outlets 8-10 feet apart.

 

[480sparky]

I totally understood it do you ever text message??

No. I speak and write English, not gibberish. And I abhor the day TMers start taking over the world.

Can you imagine trying to interpret the NEC if it was written like that? Construction documents? Having to go to court?

 

[JohnJ0906]

No. I speak and write English, not gibberish. And I abhor the day TMers start taking over the world.

Amen!

One of the many things I have learned through participation on this (and other) forums, is the need for accurate communication. When that communication is through writing only, correct use of the English language, including spelling, grammar, and punctuation, is critical.
I know I'm not perfect in this regard, but I try to put forth the effort.

 

[480sparky]

Amen!

One of the many things I have learned through participation on this (and other) forums, is the need for accurate communication. When that communication is through writing only, correct use of the English language, including spelling, grammar, and punctuation, is critical.
I know I'm not perfect in this regard, but I try to put forth the effort.

And another thing......

Pull up your

pants!
I don't need to see your skivvies.​

 

[Fulthrotl]

No. I speak and write English, not gibberish. And I abhor the day TMers start taking over the world.

this was a giggle..... thanks..... texting is a new lanugage.... it is derived
from the "two thumbs stupid" communication model.

"what we have here, is a failure to communicate"...... and we all know
what happened after that....

 

[Speedskater]

Any translation on the game show message? My wife taught languages and can spell almost any word and she has no idea either.

 

[ishium 80439]

I'm actually surprised at the number of people who install switched receptacles. The only place I typically see them is in tract housing where it is cheaper to install a split recept in the BR's than to install a fixture. I personally loathe them. The whole idea of turning on the lamp, going to bed, turning the lamp off and now the switch is useless. I have had many HO's ask to eliminate the switched recept in favor of a ceiling light but I have never had an HO ask me to install a switched receptacle.

 

[tonyou812]

I still get request for it. Especially from designers and lighting designers. By using floor lamps and table lamps you are better able to layer the lighting with the overhead lights and or sconces, especially in a large room.
And I would say ive seen at least a half dozen outlets that were changed out at one point and the person didnt break the tab. And the HO would say " I dont know what that switch does". There have been many times were I couldnt resist the urge to find it.
It almost seems like it might be a regional thing. Many of the towns I work in have very old homes and you almost come to expect it if there hadent been to much previous work done.

 

[peter d]

Switched receptacles have a place. At least around here, it's traditional to not have an overhead light in a living room, but have a switched receptacle instead. I guess it's a colonial hold over or something.

 

[480sparky]

I'm actually surprised at the number of people who install switched receptacles. The only place I typically see them is in tract housing where it is cheaper to install a split recept in the BR's than to install a fixture. I personally loathe them. The whole idea of turning on the lamp, going to bed, turning the lamp off and now the switch is useless. I have had many HO's ask to eliminate the switched recept in favor of a ceiling light but I have never had an HO ask me to install a switched receptacle.

If you start wiring homes to the absolute Code minimum, you won't be wiring homes very long.

I've done plenty of split receps, but not for primary lighting. Usually it's for the Christmas tree.

 

[steelersman]

alfie how do you pull in disposal and dw 12/3 or two 12/2 in one deep box with sl going up for disposal?

I use #14 guage. Rarely a need for #12.