Stranded wires under screws

[Fulthrotl]

I am all about backstabbing. I was just joking. Matter of fact the previous 2 posts were a farce (I think that's how to spell it).

you *don't* use epoxy? i thought i had found a friend... you mean i'm the
only one who uses epoxy on devices? personally, i use epoxy potting
compound, letting it cure overnight.... otherwise, it's pretty sticky to
handle.. of course, you can cover it with saran wrap.......

 

[Sharpie]

Welcome ActionDave!

 

[LarryFine]

This post belongs in a hall of fame of some sort. After stumbling onto it while scanning through the threads I had to sign up. I think I'm gonna like it here.

You ain't seen nothin' yet!

And welcome to the zoo!

 

[LarryFine]

you *don't* use epoxy?

Heck, no! It would take an hour and 10 minutes to do each device!

 

[ohm]

Heck, no! It would take an hour and 10 minutes to do each device!

Not if you use an EV light to cure it (available at the dental supply house near you).

PS: welcome aboard Dave!

 

[steelersman]

you *don't* use epoxy? i thought i had found a friend... you mean i'm the
only one who uses epoxy on devices? personally, i use epoxy potting
compound, letting it cure overnight.... otherwise, it's pretty sticky to
handle.. of course, you can cover it with saran wrap.......

Well I must admit, I do use epoxy. I just don't use it on devices. I do however use it once in a while for things that break after the duct tape fix wears off.

 

[charlie]

. . . terminal screws on devices are not listed for fork type terminations. . .

It seems that Pierre's post was ignored. I just got back from the Indiana Chapter meeting of the IAEI and Tom Lichtenstein with UL stated that there were no connectors listed for landing on a receptacle that you crimp on in the field. Don't be surprised if you start getting red tags for using fork connectors.

 

[celtic]

...terminal screws on devices are not listed for fork type terminations. .

It seems that Pierre's post was ignored.

Only by some...

...MOST terminal screws on devices are not listed for fork type terminations. .

:grin:

I just got back from the Indiana Chapter meeting of the IAEI and Tom Lichtenstein with UL stated that there were no connectors listed for landing on a receptacle that you crimp on in the field. Don't be surprised if you start getting red tags for using fork connectors.

...and another satisfied customer:

Are any receptacles rated to take stranded wire with fork terminals?

TY Pierre and charlie.

 

[Flex]

http://www.bryant-electric.com/imgs/lit/pdfs/tr_brochure.pdf

page 3 - accepts fork terminals

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

http://www.bryant-electric.com/imgs/lit/pdfs/tr_brochure.pdf

page 3 - accepts fork terminals

Looks like a new product brochure. I wonder if the UL Standard they are required to follow will be/is changed to conform to this product?

 

[LarryFine]

Looks like a new product brochure. I wonder if the UL Standard they are required to follow will be/is changed to conform to this product?

You believe that accepting fork terminals to be against present UL receptacle standards?

 

[Flex]

Pierre will you be in Albany on March 14th? Im attending my 1st code class and think I remember seeing your name as the instructor.

 

[ohm]

Looks like a new product brochure. I wonder if the UL Standard they are required to follow will be/is changed to conform to this product?

Good find Pierre!

 

[K8MHZ]

It is not even hard.

Here is one I did with 12 AWG just a few minutes ago. I did it just like I always do it. It took very little time and I used just whats in the picture.

It is tight and it is a good connection. :smile:

I didn't read all 13 pages of the thread so if this is a duplicate, my apologies.

But why a red wire on the neutral?

 

[K8MHZ]

RE: Twisting wire backwards before making the loop:

I was taught this same technique and surprisingly, it works well. IMO the contact between strands and screw terminals can be compromised if you are in a hurry and don't take the time to do it right the first time. I know my connections are good, so it's the other guys doing it that I'd be more concerned about. Have a standard method that works, and make sure everyone uses it.

Why not just leave it CW, bend the wire the other way and flip it over?

 

[rt66electric]

Bigger the blob--better the job

Bigger the blob--better the job

whenever i terminate stranded conductors onto devices after stripping the wire i solder the end to keep the strands together. Then after i wrap it around the screw i solder it in there real good.

my first electronics lab instructor-----on soldering-----bigger the blob -better the job

 

[winnie]

RE: Twisting wire backwards before making the loop:

Why not just leave it CW, bend the wire the other way and flip it over?

A CW twist is still a CW twist, no matter which direction you bend the hook.

As iwire shows in his photo, if you make a tight enough CW twist, then the hook acts as a solid wire and makes a good connection.

With a CW twist, the action of the tightening screw head tends to loosen the twist of the wire; so you need to make the initial twist tight enough to counter this effect.

I have found that if you make a 'backward' (CCW) twist, then the action of the tightening screw head tends to tighten up the twist. So with a CCW twist you don't need as tight a twist to make a good connection.

Either way seems to work.

-Jon

 

[celtic]

Your right it is imposable.:wink:

Trust me, it is tight.

I didn't read all 13 pages of the thread so if this is a duplicate, my apologies.

But why a red wire on the neutral?

Clearly, the man is a hack :grin: