Struggling with coworkers

You should of seen me when they implemented morning stretches and daily planner write-ups. You'd think they wanted my first born and last beer..
Now i love it, both. Made me better.
 
zbang said:
Sounds a bit like the ol' crab bucket, you need to find another group of people to work with, folks who actually value knowing what's what instead of "the print say bla bla, I do bla bla, don't care why". Heck, you might see if an engineering company has a place for someone who know how to do things and actually reads the code; often good designers come from the trenches.

"We've always done it that way" is the sorriest excuse for not even thinking about the task at hand.
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May well be. I’ll give them another year and see how I feel. I have just got my fire alarm license so I fear they’ll stick me with fire alarm on every job. If so that’s as long as I’ll stay.
 
Pinnie said:
My goal is to start my own company although no strict timeline. I’m a year out before I can take my EC test in Ohio so I’m just trying to grind and learn. Not sure if I should be studying theory, code, business, or all three. I usually just have been learning things I don’t know regardless of if they lead to my goal.
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Since you already have a future plan for now when on the job just keep in your lane, learn as much as you can, and before you know it you'll be there. We've all had jobs with crappy co-workers it's pretty much part of the learning curve.

I once had a job as a fence installer where they teamed me up with an ignorant, illiterate, drunk. I wanted to quit every day but I would give that clown the satisfaction. He was so dumb that he couldn't read a map and every day we would get lost going to the job. He taught me a valuable lesson that I used when I became a big foreman. He taugh me how not to treat people.

Unless someone is abusing you hang in there it will get better and someday in the future you'll be glad you did.
 
infinity said:
Since you already have a future plan for now when on the job just keep in your lane, learn as much as you can, and before you know it you'll be there. We've all had jobs with crappy co-workers it's pretty much part of the learning curve.

I once had a job as a fence installer where they teamed me up with an ignorant, illiterate, drunk. I wanted to quit every day but I would give that clown the satisfaction. He was so dumb that he couldn't read a map and every day we would get lost going to the job. He taught me a valuable lesson that I used when I became a big foreman. He taugh me how not to treat people.

Unless someone is abusing you hang in there it will get better and someday in the future you'll be glad you did.
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Thanks Rob.
 
rambojoe said:
You should of seen me when they implemented morning stretches and daily planner write-ups. You'd think they wanted my first born and last beer..
Now i love it, both. Made me better.
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On your time or theirs? I might do it on their time, by not likely, and would never do it on my time.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
On your time or theirs? I might do it on their time, by not likely, and would never do it on my time.
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Most definately thiers, of course.
Point is, i hated the daily activity planners and material lists and i now find myself doing at least the material lists for box store and auto part runs for stuff around the house. Its much more rare that i get home and have to go back... these were kinda certain builder specific (huge) jobs like comm highrises, data centers, water treatment ect.
The stretching obv. cuts down on minor injuries but the daily planners were implemented for insurance, liability and warranty info which bugged me. Helps because we can now see who screwed up all the blue phones or the deck work or such on anything...that works for our favor. If a accident and say a dirty test turns up, then per contract- if its a intel or gov'ment deal, then the g.c. can look at EVERYTHING that particular bonehead had his hands in, to be scrutinized.
I felt the need to explain the pro's and cons of the system. It works.

Also helps if its a cookie cutter job like hospitals or schools because in theory one has accsesss to a material list/guessed/actual time for say, the gym lights or backup gen rough in.
Helps w/material orders as well...

Ok, their time, our time. Who knows. It would be included or payed for- one way or another...
 
AC\DC said:
Don’t know if this has been said.
Don’t get too cocky pride come before the fall. Speaking from experience, I thought I knew everything until I went and got my own business.
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Im sorry, hijacked thread a bit but the first comment kinda related to o.p.'s position.
So ill say having your own business sure makes you look at things differently.
I will also say that there is a time for code referances and on the job theory lessons- but there is also a time (crunch) that stuff needs to get done.
However, was never a mushroom farmer nor do i like leads and j.w's who do that crap...

Mushroom farmer- it grows in the dark...
 
Pinnie said:
My goal is to start my own company although no strict timeline. I’m a year out before I can take my EC test in Ohio so I’m just trying to grind and learn. Not sure if I should be studying theory, code, business, or all three. I usually just have been learning things I don’t know regardless of if they lead to my goal.
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Just think what it is going to be like when those people you are talking about are working for you! How will you deal with it then? For a long time, I have just had "boss" mentality. I work for the company NOT the other workers. If they are doing something wrong, I will point it out WITH a code reference. If they don't like it, tough. They will either find out or they will get away with it. Not my problem.
 
rambojoe said:
Most definately thiers, of course.
Point is, i hated the daily activity planners and material lists and i now find myself doing at least the material lists for box store and auto part runs for stuff around the house. Its much more rare that i get home and have to go back... these were kinda certain builder specific (huge) jobs like comm highrises, data centers, water treatment ect.
The stretching obv. cuts down on minor injuries but the daily planners were implemented for insurance, liability and warranty info which bugged me. Helps because we can now see who screwed up all the blue phones or the deck work or such on anything...that works for our favor. If a accident and say a dirty test turns up, then per contract- if its a intel or gov'ment deal, then the g.c. can look at EVERYTHING that particular bonehead had his hands in, to be scrutinized.
I felt the need to explain the pro's and cons of the system. It works.

Also helps if its a cookie cutter job like hospitals or schools because in theory one has accsesss to a material list/guessed/actual time for say, the gym lights or backup gen rough in.
Helps w/material orders as well...

Ok, their time, our time. Who knows. It would be included or payed for- one way or another...
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There is very little medical evidence to support that idea.
As far as material lists, most of my jobs were, designed by me and quoted by me, and I ordered the material based on my project quote sheet.
 
Strathead said:
Just think what it is going to be like when those people you are talking about are working for you! How will you deal with it then?
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That’s a can of worms I don’t want to think about. Kinda like if I ever have a daughter lol (two sons at the moment). Thinking about the right way to lead a bunch of men is daunting indeed.
Strathead said:
If they are doing something wrong, I will point it out WITH a code reference. If they don't like it, tough. They will either find out or they will get away with it. Not my problem.
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my temperament does not enjoy being disliked. I try to walk that line carefully but I don’t want people believing something incorrect. I try to gauge if they care or would welcome the correction if not I keep it to myself. (Or find someone I trust and tell them about it lol)
 
I've seen tradesmen that had no formal training riding their companies license that plain didn't
have the basics. That's how much of the trades were.
A guy running wires isn't the same as an electrician. You won't learn the technical in OJT because those companies don't
have the inclination to train. For the right person, formal training makes the difference.
On a job for some reason I asked a guy from another company what the dielectric rating of something ( I forgot what)
His answer was 24-7. He hadn't heard the term before. Information is out there if the effort is too.

But don't underestimate the guy that doesn't take to books either. Books usually don't know tricks.
 
Pinnie said:
I have no mentor or anyone to call to deeply understands electrical. My heart is kind of hurting. Has anyone struggled with this before ?
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You're in a pretty good place if that's all you want to complain about. Don't give up on a good spot easily.

As you study deeper in electrical, or anything else really, what you may find is as you study deeper you find there is much more that you don't know. Study a little and you may feel you know a lot. Continue studying deeply in your area of interest and the world of what you don't know gets much bigger. (I) would learn to say, "what I don't know is so vast" (I want to know that).

That would go for knowledge about your coworkers also. So much of what you will see gets very predictable, but also very deeply rooted and unchangeable. Most guys I would say are maxed out, many at or over their breaking point. would want more and better for themselves like you do for yourself, but maxed out with work (and then trying to meet their other demands placed on them). That would be most common and you would be talking about looking at a demographic sample or average Within some constraints they are doing the absolute best they can, for better or worse. If you want to look for star instructors, try a local CC, community college.

You could say, why don't I like the view of the average or regular common sample. That's where your perspective or interpretation comes into play. You can choose how to view it or go looking for insight of the view from others. Applying perspective and insight to the problem definitely changes the view. Yours is not the only interpretation or viewpoint of significance. It would be equal weighted with theirs (at best). Not being able to see a problem from their point of view is a deficiency.

Google and the forums can function as an extension of your own thought process. One of the best ways to learn is to set a problem for yourself, Usually some type of technical problem like programming, fixing something, building a house, or (yikes) asking how the electron is defined. Then go about working to solve the problem you've set for yourself. Coworkers certainly are busy with theirs.
 
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