Had an electrician install sub-panels in master bedroom clothes closets, and we are requiring him to relocate these panels. On the opposite side is a small room than contains a basin. A door off this small room leads into the toliet/shower area. Would the basin area be considered part of the bathroom area?
Sub-panels in basin area
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rcarroll
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- Fort Collins, Colorado
Re: Sub-panels in basin area
As long as the bathroom is separated from the "basin room" by a door, I would say it is ok to install a panel in the room providing there is proper working clearance for the panel.
As long as the bathroom is separated from the "basin room" by a door, I would say it is ok to install a panel in the room providing there is proper working clearance for the panel.
ryan_618
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
I'm gonna get hammered for this, but I would call it a bathroom.
I'm gonna get hammered for this, but I would call it a bathroom.
rcarroll
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
Hey Ryan, by definition of the nec doesn't a bathroom require a basin with a toilet, tub, or shower?
Hey Ryan, by definition of the nec doesn't a bathroom require a basin with a toilet, tub, or shower?
ryan_618
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
Hello. A bathroom is defined as an area, not a room.
Here we go....
Hello. A bathroom is defined as an area, not a room.
Here we go....
rcarroll
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
How about the definition of a bathroom by the Uniform Plumbing Code? A room equipped with a shower or tub. I do realize we can't mix the two codes to make something fit. Ron
How about the definition of a bathroom by the Uniform Plumbing Code? A room equipped with a shower or tub. I do realize we can't mix the two codes to make something fit. Ron
electricman2
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
Room, area, whatever. If it has a basin then by the NEC its a bathroom.
Room, area, whatever. If it has a basin then by the NEC its a bathroom.
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A room with just a basin is not a bathroom.
IMO this is not a bathroom.
A room with just a basin is not a bathroom.
It sounds like there is a door separating this area with a basin from the toilet and tub.
IMO this is not a bathroom.
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
Ryan you let a counter top outlet go without GFCI as you considered it outside the kitchen when there where no walls to separate the area.
Now when we have walls and a door you would like to extend area right through the walls.
Sorry Ryan, you said you expected to get hammered and who better to do it than a friend.
Ryan you let a counter top outlet go without GFCI as you considered it outside the kitchen when there where no walls to separate the area.
Now when we have walls and a door you would like to extend area right through the walls.
Sorry Ryan, you said you expected to get hammered and who better to do it than a friend.
russ
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
Does 230.70(2) cover subpanels, or any panel that doesn't include the service disconnect?
Does 230.70(2) cover subpanels, or any panel that doesn't include the service disconnect?
alex winkler
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
If this is not a bathroom then there is no need for GFICs or a 20 amp circuit in the basin room or the tub, toilet/shower room.
I think the bathroom "area" would extend beyond the door. If the definition of bathroon use the word "room" instead of "area" then I would agree it would not be a bathroom.
Russ, see 240.24 (E)for overcurrent devices.
If this is not a bathroom then there is no need for GFICs or a 20 amp circuit in the basin room or the tub, toilet/shower room.
I think the bathroom "area" would extend beyond the door. If the definition of bathroon use the word "room" instead of "area" then I would agree it would not be a bathroom.
Russ, see 240.24 (E)for overcurrent devices.
russ
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
Alex: Thanks for the refresher
Russ
Alex: Thanks for the refresher
Russ
ryan_618
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
Originally posted by iwire:
Sorry Ryan, you said you expected to get hammered and who better to do it than a friend.
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a.wayne3@verizon.net
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Re: Sub-panels in basin area
If a door changes the required location,then does height of the receptacle do the same thing.Like an outlet 8 ft on a plant shelf for a TV,since in a regular room over 5"6" does not count as a required receptacle then it should not apply to a bathroom either.
If a door changes the required location,then does height of the receptacle do the same thing.Like an outlet 8 ft on a plant shelf for a TV,since in a regular room over 5"6" does not count as a required receptacle then it should not apply to a bathroom either.
Re: Sub-panels in basin area
The NEC uses the words area for a bathroom so that putting a door around any of the parts of the bathroom for privacy does not change requirements, the handbook ( this is reference not code) shows several different configurations.
Having doors for privacy does not make a bathroom not a bathroom.
tom
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The NEC uses the words area for a bathroom so that putting a door around any of the parts of the bathroom for privacy does not change requirements, the handbook ( this is reference not code) shows several different configurations.
Having doors for privacy does not make a bathroom not a bathroom.
tom
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