Taping Or Coloring White Wire

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480sparky said:
Then paint isn't permanent either. Otherwise, I'd never have to repaint my house.

And upon further reflection, neither is insulation. Someday it's going to fall off, too!
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After seeing it that way, I do not feel so bad. I think tape is as permanent as sharpie. With some NM it doesnt take much for the sharpie to start rubbing off. If you want permanent then sharpie isnt it, you need to use the krylon paint made specially for plastics.

~Matt
 
When you think about it, it only has to be-identified long enough for inspection, beyond that it can fade and peel all it wants. :roll: But I still don't like the tape method, so...nyeah. :grin:
 
360Youth said:
When you think about it, it only has to be-identified long enough for inspection, beyond that it can fade and peel all it wants. :roll: But I still don't like the tape method, so...nyeah. :grin:
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To me, it depends on the tape. I use 3M products for all my permanent installations. I use the cheap tape for temporary stuff, like taping wires to a fish-tape before pulling them.

I've opened up gutters after years and have seen 3M products (Scotch) still in good shape. I've opened up some where the cheap stuff was used and the adhesive had all run out into the bottom of the gutter and the 'tape' was basically useless.

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celtic said:
That is your opinion....however, your opinion is in violation:
200.7(C)(1)

Tape is NOT "permanent".
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Here you go Celtic. It was my opinion untill I found this illustration from Mike Holt's site:

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Now, His illistration showes the use of tape, is he wrong too?

BTW, This is NOT meant as a jab, I just am looking for the right answer now. :)

~Matt
 
TOOL_5150 said:
Now, His illistration showes the use of tape, is he wrong too?

BTW, This is NOT meant as a jab, I just am looking for the right answer now. :)

~Matt
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No offense taken.

I did a little subtle back-peddaling in a previous post...did you catch it ;)
 
Celtic
Another analogy for the use of tape as permanent is when tape is used to make up bugs/splitbolts.

If the tape is properly installed, I would say it is a permanent installation. Think about a Sharpie...how many times have we seen a sharpie marking seem to disappear? I would think a paint pen might be more permanent. (if there is such a thing as more permanent ;) )
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Celtic
Another analogy for the use of tape as permanent is when tape is used to make up bugs/splitbolts.
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You missed my back-peddeling too!
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I must have been more subtle than I thought:-?

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celtic said:
This is how I view tape also ...repair work.


HOWEVER...it does stand to reason that the taped up repair job could be considered "permanent".
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By that same reasoning...permanent is, well....permanent...LOL :)
 
eric stromberg said:
To me, it depends on the tape. I use 3M products for all my permanent installations.
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Agreed. I have seen both proper taping and faded marker. The main thing I don't like about tape is whether it is re-identification or repair. Usually recognizable right away, I just prefer methods that are single-purpose as much as possible.
 
how small conductor that can be taped?

how small conductor that can be taped?

What is the smallest conductor that can be taped for identification?

Thanks!
 
Thanks everyone for the useful information. It has helped me a great deal in my knowledge of the code and what is allowed. Being that I am no longer a residential electrician but an industrial electrician, the chances of me using rope in the workplace is slim to none.

Happy New Year btw.
 
newtronical1 said:
Thanks everyone for the useful information. It has helped me a great deal in my knowledge of the code and what is allowed. Being that I am no longer a residential electrician but an industrial electrician, the chances of me using rope in the workplace is slim to none.

Happy New Year btw.
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True, but chances are that you will be using some BX, MC or SO cables.
 
Yes I will. This brings me to anotherquestion. Is it permissible to use a 12-4 or 10-4 SO cord for a 3-phase motor installation and not have to reidentify the white wire as a leg in the 3-phase power supply?

I have been doing this for years yet have never really inquired about it nor done the research to investigate this.

Thanks for the replies.
 
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