temporary wiring permitted laying on the ground

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can you put temporary wiring in pvc laying on top of the ground. This is for a 240V pool pump. The house burned and is under recronstruction. The city of Jax. Fl. told me it is o.k. for as long as it takes when asked what is the definition of tempoary wiring????

Any comments or concerns, I.E. workers comp
 
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Lets see a remodel.roll off trucks,Material trucks,Drywall trucks,,electricians, plumbers and HVAC vans :D Never mind the framers ,Labor crews :D NAH !!!!!!
 
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jonesjax,
590.2 temp wiring shall follow the same rules a

s permenent wiring--with a few exceptions

590.3 time--permitted during period of construction.

I wouldn't want a swimming pool on temp. power in my name!

frank
 
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I would make sure it was understood that no one is to use the pool until it is on a permanent wiring method, Now this could be hard as I know how hot it gets down there and those accidental slips into the pool feels so good. :eek:
 
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What is the difference between temp and permanent power if all the bonding and grounding is done correctly? The only concern I see is with the PVC pipe. Is it sech 80?
 
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Depends on whether the wiring is out of the construction zone. I one time got permission from the neighbors to lay a temporary feeder from the construction service to the house on their property. Sure enough, the inspector make me erect a stinkertoy set on their property.

I figured that since feeders and branch circuits can be laid down on the ground at a carnival I could lay SER cable on the ground. I only had about 3 to 4 feet of room between the driveway and the property line for the new service.

This also meant that the temporary construction service really only had 2 feet of foundation after digging out for the new service. I specifically did not want to run the SER cable from the temporary service switch to the house overhead because I figured that mechanical support was too iffy.
 
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thanks for the replies. I to don't understand why the city thinks it is o.k. to run temp power on the ground during construction especially to a pool. the wiring I have refured to is actually installed across the street from my house. I called the city the work was done without a permit it has been two months now and the sch 40 pvc is still there. good news is all work has been stopped due to the fact they never pulled any permits for the work.
 
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For about 2 years it was part of my job to feed burned houses temp electric.Usually i need to get it up and running in 48 hours.We sleeved uf cable from temp pole to pool equipment in sch 40 pvc.Inspectors did check my work and allowed it.Did make sure that nothing got back fed or any lights hooked up.Usage of the pool would be illegal,but in reality yes i jumped in.With no electric a pool would suffer major damage.The other needs were 100 amps to feed about 16 outlets to run fans and dehumidifiers for 24 7 for days.If the pvc was ran away from any areas that might damage it i see no problem with it.
 
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Just curious, why does the pool really need power if the house burned and is being remodeled. I don't have a pool, but if my house had fire damage that would be the least of my concerns! Again I'm just curious.
 
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It is necessary to keep the water flowing and filtered. Standing water stagnates and algae will start growing.

Why do you think that a pool wired off a temp is dangerous? If the temp is installed properly it is as safe as any other installation.

As bad as it sounds my home has been connect to a saw service for over two years. Inspectors come and go on a regular basis inspecting the addition we are doing. I sleep quietly every night. I am typing this and the saw service is supplying the power
 
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I once to lived off a t pole for several years.Some times you just gotta do what you gotta do.Surprisingly you can get by on 60 amps if you must
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
It is necessary to keep the water flowing and filtered. Standing water stagnates and algae will start growing.
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Can it be sumped out and covered, or will that not be good either?
 
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Yes they will float out of the ground and I have seen concrete ones raise here in central North Carolina. Water under the pool during freezing weather will do a number on them just like our roads and sidewalks. The beat method is keep them running.

No one has answered me on why they feel that a pool would not be safe if run from a temp service.
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
No one has answered me on why they feel that a pool would not be safe if run from a temp service.
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because the water may get colder and anyone illegally using it may get hypothermia
 
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I think the issue would be over the wiring system to it.Pvc laying on top of ground is bit scary if we are counting on it for grounding of a pool.I have sometimes ran uf romex around the house achoring where ever i could.While this was allowed for the purpose of keeping the pool running it surely is not up to par as permanent for use as a pool.In reality i am sure if it looks clean that workers will jump in it,legal or not.Usually the hook up is far from even good quality.I have seen them even put a plug on the pump (change over from 240 if needed) and plug in t pole or neighbors house.Liability would play big part in this.Keep in mind if the degree of the fire was enough to pull the meter then they lost there CO at same time.On a few fire jobs we were lucky in that the meter was not pulled ,so not near the problem.
 
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