termitaing phone wires residential

[luke warmwater]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

What's with the 2-gang box some guys are talking about?

That might be OK if you're installing Line Cord, but would defeat the purpose of using Cat5e.

Use a termination block of some sort, 66 block, or structured media brand block.

We use a Pass and Seymore RJ45 block. All ends get connectors. A little more time than punching down.

 

[allenwayne]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

We are paid to prewire these homes PREWIRE is the key word here from the actual phone jack to the wires hanging out the side of the house.Nothing in the scope of work about terminating them on servers side.Like I said if we contracted to hook up vanity lights then they should be actually hooked up This is the biggest play on words I have ever seen

 

[George Stolz]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Originally posted by luke warmwater:
What's with the 2-gang box some guys are talking about?

That might be OK if you're installing Line Cord, but would defeat the purpose of using Cat5e.

Only if you're installing Cat-5e for the networking potential of it. If you're installing it to get a pair for phone duty to the locations indicated on the plans, then stocking punchdowns and whatnot is a waste of material and money. Blue&Orange wire nuts serve my purpose just fine. It's an added bonus that the customer can upgrade their system.

I pull my runs long, down the tallest end of the wall under the basement stairs. That area usually isn't drywalled anyway. It's usually a perfect location for a networking panel. If the customer decides they'd like to add a router and go to town on their system after I am gone, all they have to do is cut off my wirenuts, install a networking panel and a router, re-terminate with -45 jacks, and they're rocking and rolling.

More importantly, if we are called in to upgrade the system, we can more easily.

 

[George Stolz]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Originally posted by allenwayne:
We are paid to prewire these homes PREWIRE is the key word here

Honestly, asking the phone company to assemble up to ten runs inside that tiny residential demark box is like asking them to pull a coconut out of their bum for you every house. They're balking for good reason.

 

[hbiss]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

We are paid to prewire these homes PREWIRE is the key word here from the actual phone jack to the wires hanging out the side of the house. Nothing in the scope of work about terminating them on servers side.

Well now we are getting somewhere. Looks like your beef is really with the GC or homeowner isn't it? You did your work and now they want you to go back and do an extra for free. I think you need to make it clear that there will be an extra charge if you provide this or they are free to have the TELCO or anyone else do it.

-Hal

 

[luke warmwater]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

george,

why pull Cat5e for phone duty?
you could pull line cord for that.

If you're pulling Cat5e for the 'added bonus' of an upgrade, why not install a termination block?

Those Etcon blocks are around 25 bucks. And if there is 10 jacks, that extra cost is peanuts for the fact when a homeowner plugs their modem into the jack, the bandwidth wont be jeprodized.


Allen,
your comparison of the phone company hooking up customer side of Demark and you installing vanity fixtures is completly wrong.

Does the Power company hook up the load side of the meter socket for you??

 

[roger]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Allen, I'd think you'd welcome the chance to use your trusty Fluke to trouble shoot the cables.

Roger

 

[peter d]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

I've never termitained phone wires before. Is this a new technique?

 

[allenwayne]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Our specs are to run cat 5 hr`s to d mark doesn`t matter if there are 3,4 5,or 10 hr`s There will always be at least one not hooked up
terminated We supply the service and it costs us to go there.Can we backcharge the telco NO z

 

[George Stolz]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Originally posted by luke warmwater:
why pull Cat5e for phone duty?
you could pull line cord for that.

I don't do the purchasing, just to be upfront. The story I hear is, Cat-5 isn't that much more expensive than lesser products when purchased in bulk. Again, I don't know, that's what the boss says.

If you're pulling Cat5e for the 'added bonus' of an upgrade, why not install a termination block?

Those Etcon blocks are around 25 bucks.

I know my broncos aren't that expensive.

 

[jimwalker]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Allen,your fighting a problem your company made.Make contract clear as to how far you go with the phone line.Either plan on a extra trip or state upfront what the charge will be.Hooking up 1 set would be being nice of them.Hooking up 10 will take maybe an extra 15 to 20 minutes.They never offered to hook up the wires free.Your the ones that offered the service.Surely you could have 1 low paid man to take care of this problem.Or you could do both yourself and customer a favor and make a junction box ,even if only wire nuted together and 1 line to demark.You seem to want them to bend for a job you didnt finish.It is all about the paper work between you and gc ,not the phone company

 

[allenwayne]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

You seem to want them to bend for a job you didnt finish.

Jim what part did we not finish

 

[George Stolz]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Allen, do you realize we're talking about one "extra" run, usually amounting to sixty feet? And even if you only strip and hook up one pair, you're going to avoid the callback.

You're looking at five or ten extra minutes labor pulling the one run to the demark, and about the same for junctioning the runs in the basement. Isn't twenty minutes labor and sixty feet of Cat-5 worth avoiding the stupid callback?

Whatever your ethics are telling you about the evil telco, why not just bend on this and start making money?

 

[roger]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Roger

 

[luke warmwater]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Allen, unfortunately, you're fighting a losing battle. I for one agree with the Telephone Company, and think that you're looking at the situation from the wrong perspective.

If the Tel. Tech hooks up your wires and there is a short or other problem in your wiring system, what's he to do? Is he now responsible to fix your problem?

I'm telling you from my experience that it is better to take all of your homeruns to one location, be it a temination block or a 2-gang box, and pull one homerun out to the Demark.

Your problem should be with whoever writes your proposals, not the phone company.
Your company should either include the extra cost for a termination point or an extra trip to hook up the lines in their proposal, or raise the price of each jack to cover the extra cost of a return trip.
Or bill the customer(G.C. or homeowner) for the extra trip. Explain upfront what your contract states and stick to your guns on your philosophy.

Bottom line is that whoever writes your proposals needs to be working it out with whoever accepts them.

 

[hardworkingstiff]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Bottom line is that whoever writes your proposals needs to be working it out with whoever accepts them. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Exactly! Very well said.

 

[allenwayne]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Originally posted by hardworkingstiff:
[QB] Bottom line is that whoever writes your proposals needs to be working it out with whoever accepts them.

That`s the problem it is dumped on the field supervisors ME and 6 others

 

[jimwalker]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

maybe he cant hear the trash man

 

[George Stolz]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Originally posted by allenwayne:
And this guy had the nerve to say the chime was not loud enough ???First thing that came to mind was well take the garbage out and it might echo on the tiled floor I couldn`t see

That's hilarious!

 

[allenwayne]

Re: termitaing phone wires residential

Doing over 2,500 homes a year we get our fair share of frivilous service calls.One of our builders set up a one year end of warranty call yesterday D/w beeps after power outage Maybe someone will get the hint.