TR gfci, WR Gfci

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electricmanscott said:
All the newly required receptacle types are readily available.
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Try that out with the wiremold stock at your local supplier.
 
I don't have to install tamper resistant devices until my state puts the 2008 NEC into force of law, which, for Minnesota, is to be June or July this year.

But I've been thinking about things that have yet to be available in TR configurations, like:
  1. Luminaires with built-in receptacles
  2. Manufactured bulit-in residential ironing centers
  3. Hardwired plugmold
  4. Porcelain lampholders with receptacles
There's undoubtedly more on this list than what I've thought of.

I think this is going to be a headache for sometime, until designers, GCs and others who may supply hardware to be installed, come to know the "truth" of tamper resistant receptacles.
 
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raider1 said:
I personally really like P&S devices, typically that is all I use in residential.
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I agree, I really like P&S, and Cooper/Eagle is on par with them quality wise as well. Leviton is a very distant 3rd place for resi stuff.
 
iwire said:
Freeze!!! NEC Police!!
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My head hurts. That was almost entirely about color, up/down and wiring logs.

Brother has a point. Some manufacturers are playing catchup.

Additionally, there's a lot of old stock, with the non-tamperproof receptacles, that's going to be coming off dusty shelves for years to come that will show up at the job site.
 
al hildenbrand said:
My head hurts. That was almost entirely about color, up/down and wiring logs.
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Did you miss the part where Scott contacted a couple of manufacturers about this and their response? :-?

As far as whats on the shelfs I don't understand ...... it's up to the installer to know the codes.
 
iwire said:
Did you miss the part where Scott contacted a couple of manufacturers about this and their response?
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No.

Some manufacturers are not yet offering the "the newly required receptacle types", as E Scott puts it. They're catching up. "All of the newly required . . . " are simply not yet available. Brother didn't "miss something."
iwire said:
As far as whats on the shelfs I don't understand ...... it's up to the installer to know the codes.
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The installer knowing the Code is a given.

The installer is not the only one that picks from the shelves.

The headache, to me, will be politely holding firm when the GC, homeowner, or my poor cash strapped client want an assembly, they found, bought on sale, and brought home, installed that includes non-TR receptacles in it.
 
Does anyone have the price for a tamper resistant GFCI outlet is? In CT we are on the 05 so the supply house I deal with does'n carry them yet.
Lou
 
marissa2 said:
Does anyone have the price for a tamper resistant GFCI outlet is? In CT we are on the 05 so the supply house I deal with does'n carry them yet.
Lou
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My supplier has them for $12.28
 
iwire said:
I guess I am becuse I don't see any issue whatsoever. :-?
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Nor do I.

I sold a job with plugmold. I screwed up since it isn't available. I explained to the H.O. No biggie.

When I said all of the newly reqired receptacles are readily available I was right.

I didn't say manufactured receptacle assemblies. :grin:
 
al hildenbrand said:
The headache, to me, will be politely holding firm when the GC, homeowner, or my poor cash strapped client want an assembly, they found, bought on sale, and brought home, installed that includes non-TR receptacles in it.
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There has to be some common sense applied here. I agree 100% with the TR rule, but a medicine cabinet, or one of those bathroom sconces with the receptacle in it? Let's be reasonable here, there is no danger of a child sticking something in one of those. I'm absolutely not advocating that we violate the code, but sometimes the code and reality clash. I'm not waiting until the manufacturers change the cheap lights with non-TR receptacles or pullchain porcelains.
 
OK. I think I'm learning something here.
2008 NEC

406.11 Tamper-Resistant Receptacles in Dwelling Units. In all areas specified in 210.52, all 125-volt , 15- and 20-ampere receptacles shall be listed tamper-resistant receptacles.
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2008 NEC

210.52 Dwelling Unit Recptacle Outlets. This section provides requirements for 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere recetacle outlets. The receptacles required by this section shall be in addition to any receptacle that is:
  1. Part of a luminaire or appliance, or
  2. Controlled by a wall switch in accordance with 210.70(A)(1), Exception No. 1, or
  3. Located within cabinets or cupboards, or
  4. Located more than 1.7 m (5 1/2 ft) above the floor.
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If I put in a receptacle for, say, a water softener or a sump pump, since they are not part of the requirements of 210.52, they need not be TR.

If I put receptacle inside a cupboard for in a builtin microwave, it need not be TR.
 
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I agree with that Al, I think. But....my truck is stocked ONLY with TR receptacles and some WR Gfcis. Makes no sense to carry some of each when in most cases I need TR.
 
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al hildenbrand said:
OK. I think I'm learning something here. If I put in a receptacle for, say, a water softener or a sump pump, since they are not part of the requirements of 210.52, they need not be TR.

If I put receptacle inside a cupboard for in a builtin microwave, it need not be TR.
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IMSO this won't fly. 2008 says "In all areas specified in 210.52", not "all receptacles required by 210.52".
If an area is specified in 210.52, and I don't think it misses any areas of a residence, then receptacles in that area must comply.


Edit to add: Maybe attics would be okay.
 
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