Trying new program on a home build does this seem high

I second that.

I've almost completely lost interest in electrical work. A few times. The best cure was to go wire a whole string of 700 square foot duplexes.

Just leave your brain in the truck and go wire. It's actually really peaceful
Interesting approach. I feel like residential makes me want to shoot myself, but you know that could be really nice not dealing with homeowners, just having a drawing in front of you that is set in stone, no changes indecisions additions.....
 
Interesting approach. I feel like residential makes me want to shoot myself, but you know that could be really nice not dealing with homeowners, just having a drawing in front of you that is set in stone, no changes indecisions additions.....
Exactly. And knowing that every one of them is the same. You walk through once and get your layout and just go one right after the other
 
Exactly. And knowing that every one of them is the same. You walk through once and get your layout and just go one right after the other
Me: did you decide on the bathroom floor heat?

Client: no, we are still trying to decide

Me: do you have the kitchen layout yet?

Client: almost

Me. That one room you have a bunch of stuff stored in, I need to get to some stuff in there.

Client: ok, I'll see what I can do

Me: have u framed those remaining walls?

Client: not yet we are trying to decide a couple things.

Client: oh I know we already spent hours going over it, but we are not sure about the lighting layout.

Me: can we get a dumpster and someone to clean up the job site a bit?

Client: I'll see what I can do.

Me: can we get a porta John? Ya know electricians have to s##t like everyone else

Client: no, the toilet that we took out is sitting right there in your way. There are some garbage bags there, just put one in the bowl and dry dock it. Just piss in the backyard like mongrel heathen cringer scumbag. The lady next door is retired and working in her garden all the time, she loves it.

Me: are you going to finish demoing this wall?

Client: no, just waste your time and demo out whAt you need. The plumber already struggled with it and wasted a bunch of time, so it's already 2/3 demoed. Theres no dumpster so just leave the plaster and lathe and a pile on the floor so it will be in your way.

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Note "client" can also be incompetent GC
 
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

Note "client" can also be incompetent GC
Same. I just dumped my GC of three years because they went from being the best to being the worst.

I started the finish on a bathroom remodel back in October, and they went shopping for light fixtures in December. It took 14 weeks to get through just the finish

Always showing up to work that's not framed, indecision running rampant, wasted trips and wasted time

I've spent as many as 3 days in the phone trying to help them iron out horrible dimensions on the cabinet drawings. Almost every kitchen was 4 hours doing that

Had one bathroom that was 19 hours of job time for rough and finish but took 5 trips, an hour and 15 minutes drive each way.

Just before Christmas I told them don't schedule me anything new. I won't leave them hanging with open work, but I couldn't take any more. But it wasn't that way three years ago

I'm ready for those duplexes
 
Seen many time "I only want the minimum
Minimum tends to vary in meaning from one person to the next. If you can't tell me what you want then I put together a proposal that tells you what you will get with it, anything you decide to change may effect the outcome. I

I get basic floor plans all the time that have no nearly electrical info at all, usually lucky to know whether it will be electric heat, water heat, range, dryer, etc. but typically figure some in for range, dryer and WH as those tend to be fairly common and then try to figure out what heat will be. Surprisingly I often still don't know what heat or even water heating will be by the time construction actually starts. Or if I do know it will be electric they still can't seem to tell me kW rating or what tonnage the heat pump/ac compressor unit will be.
 
Me: do you have the kitchen layout yet?
Had troubles with that aspect on the last new house I did. Owner was in military and overseas, his family also with him, but were planning to move to the house after it was finished. GC who I have worked with for years and get along great with was mostly who I got every detail on for this project. And many questions I had he needed to get back to me after talking to them. I had a lot of rough in done and still no final details for cabinets. We had a basic plan that was used for estimating before construction even began, I was eventually told to go off of that, it will be "close enough" Most of it was but there were details in the final cabinet plan that would have been nice to know and only a couple items that were specifically known ahead of time that were going to be different. Ideal placement of an island was not where I placed outlet boxes for some lighting pendants, we ended up centering the island on my outlet boxes though it would have looked even better for the range and hood behind it to be centered with it as well. There was also a wall cabinet with a microwave shelf in it that I had no idea was going to be there. Luckily no flooring or subflooring materials were in yet when this was discovered and I was able to cut holes in the floor to help assist in fishing a cable for that microwave as well as cut a hole in wall that would be hidden by base cabinet below the microwave location. All my countertop receptacles turned out to be in ok locations though.
 
All that stuff like that does is tie up a bunch of time and waste your money. It's okay if it happens once in awhile. Everybody has some dysfunction.

But when it's every single job and growing worse and worse, you can go broke
 
All I can say is it's very location dependent. All the efficiency discussion aside, I am in the same market as the OP and these numbers are not out of line at all for that size of house.
 
GC has me come in to wire. He's all set. Get 90% there, and GC comes in and announces they put the wall in the wrong spot and it has to move over by 6 inches. Then it is discovered that the second story wall if off too because the wall below, that got moved, was load baring from roof load. And then when I come back not only have to re-wire that sections but the plumber has been in and his drain line now runs across in front of the panel and door won't fully open and the HVAC guy used your main wire chase across the basement as the air return plenum because HO didn't want the return below because he decided wants to close the ceiling later. This just blew the estimate and my service inspection.
 
Me: did you decide on the bathroom floor heat?

Client: no, we are still trying to decide

Me: do you have the kitchen layout yet?

Client: almost

Me. That one room you have a bunch of stuff stored in, I need to get to some stuff in there.

Client: ok, I'll see what I can do

Me: have u framed those remaining walls?

Client: not yet we are trying to decide a couple things.

Client: oh I know we already spent hours going over it, but we are not sure about the lighting layout.

Me: can we get a dumpster and someone to clean up the job site a bit?

Client: I'll see what I can do.

Me: can we get a porta John? Ya know electricians have to s##t like everyone else

Client: no, the toilet that we took out is sitting right there in your way. There are some garbage bags there, just put one in the bowl and dry dock it. Just piss in the backyard like mongrel heathen cringer scumbag. The lady next door is retired and working in her garden all the time, she loves it.

Me: are you going to finish demoing this wall?

Client: no, just waste your time and demo out whAt you need. The plumber already struggled with it and wasted a bunch of time, so it's already 2/3 demoed. Theres no dumpster so just leave the plaster and lathe and a pile on the floor so it will be in your way.

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

Note "client" can also be incompetent GC
Jesus Christ, just found this out, add it to the list:

Me 6 months ago: if your under tile heat is a cable type, IT MUST BE INSPECTED before tiling over. If it's a mat type no inspection required. Remember the last house we did the inspector made us rent an IR camera to show clearances were met. SAVE DOCUMENTATION showing it's a mat type of that's what you use. Cable type will need a separate cover inspection.

Client: today with final inspection tomorrow sends me pic of a cable type mostly thin setted over and asks if this is a mat type. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😳😳😳😳😳
 
Jesus Christ, just found this out, add it to the list:

Me 6 months ago: if your under tile heat is a cable type, IT MUST BE INSPECTED before tiling over. If it's a mat type no inspection required. Remember the last house we did the inspector made us rent an IR camera to show clearances were met. SAVE DOCUMENTATION showing it's a mat type of that's what you use. Cable type will need a separate cover inspection.

Client: today with final inspection tomorrow sends me pic of a cable type mostly thin setted over and asks if this is a mat type. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😳😳😳😳😳
LNI doesn't even let the tile guys lay the cable anymore we're supposed to put it in now. Idk sounds like you've got too many dysfunctional contractors there. We have it bad here too. Either silly Bubba types or college only construction management degrees types. Only about 3 general contractors in town who I'd slap my recommendation to.
 
GC has me come in to wire. He's all set. Get 90% there, and GC comes in and announces they put the wall in the wrong spot and it has to move over by 6 inches. Then it is discovered that the second story wall if off too because the wall below, that got moved, was load baring from roof load. And then when I come back not only have to re-wire that sections but the plumber has been in and his drain line now runs across in front of the panel and door won't fully open and the HVAC guy used your main wire chase across the basement as the air return plenum because HO didn't want the return below because he decided wants to close the ceiling later. This just blew the estimate and my service inspection.
We should be the last trade or there at same time as hvac. Plumbing goes first always.
 
LNI doesn't even let the tile guys lay the cable anymore we're supposed to put it in now. Idk sounds like you've got too many dysfunctional contractors there. We have it bad here too. Either silly Bubba types or college only construction management degrees types. Only about 3 general contractors in town who I'd slap my recommendation to.
I've never installed under tile heat. Ran power to the controller several times. Tile guy's have always done the heat cable, mat, or whatever. After seeing how involved it can be and you still are potentially at the mercy of a tile installer messing something up, I'd rather let it be their problem if it doesn't work after they are done installing the tile than to stay around and watch/check things as they progress with tile installation. Is also not my problem other than the supply circuit, which is no different than a lot of other things I deal with, if it fails say 6 months or a year later.
 
I've never installed under tile heat. Ran power to the controller several times. Tile guy's have always done the heat cable, mat, or whatever. After seeing how involved it can be and you still are potentially at the mercy of a tile installer messing something up, I'd rather let it be their problem if it doesn't work after they are done installing the tile than to stay around and watch/check things as they progress with tile installation. Is also not my problem other than the supply circuit, which is no different than a lot of other things I deal with, if it fails say 6 months or a year later.
I agree just saying that's LNIs take.
 
Company I worked for back in the '90s, we would install the heat cable. But they weren't using that orange mat back then. We had spacers and we had to screw them down on the floor. It went inside of a mud bed.
 
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