Two-way radios

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76nemo

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brian john said:
TMUI

Too Much Useless Information...Jeporady here we come.

I should of left that to a PM, but I had to chuckle because we had a useless meeting the other week at work that pretty much lost everyone's attention, that's when I remembered the quote. As I said earlier, WAY off topic, feel free to delete!

Enough of that, but thanks Ken for the answer, know I remember:D
 

K8MHZ

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The most used 2 way in my neck of the woods for electricians is the Nextel 2 way feature on Nextel's cell phones. Next in line are the FRS/GMRS radios. I have got some real nice ones, Audiovox, from Home Depot for 27 dollars a pair. Investing in NiMh rechargeable batteries and a decent 1 hour charger is a big plus.

The Nextels are very popular among most folk in the construction trades around here. I even got my boss to buy one for me when I worked for G3 and he paid the phone bill, too, as long as I didn't go over my alloted time. They worked very well. The exception was when we were out in the boonies and not near a cell tower.

I have never seen any FRS/GMRS radio able to communicate as far as they are advertised. I didn't try them during an Es or tropo opening though as I would rather use such propagation to play ham radio on. Es openings in the UHF range are very rare. Tropo is more common but usually tops out in the VHF range.

Wire nuts are also useful when you are up on a lift and want to get the crane operator's attention. Just bounce them off the roof and use hand signals after that. It does take a bit of skill, especially when it's windy, but at least you can get them to stop playing crossword puzzles long enough to do a pick for you. They are reusable, too.
 

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K8MHZ said:
The Nextels are very popular among most folk in the construction trades around here. I even got my boss to buy one for me when I worked for G3 and he paid the phone bill, too, as long as I didn't go over my alloted time. They worked very well. The exception was when we were out in the boonies and not near a cell tower.
The last Nextel phone I used had a function where it could directly operate without a cell tower in the boonies, radio to radio. Anybody use that? How well does it work?
 

ultramegabob

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georgestolz said:
The last Nextel phone I used had a function where it could directly operate without a cell tower in the boonies, radio to radio. Anybody use that? How well does it work?

they work about like any of the other choices, all the systems work on a maxium 2 watts of power
 

K8MHZ

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ultramegabob said:
what are tones?

Most radios now have 38 privacy tones you can set so only a radio set on that tone will open the squelch of your radio. Motorola trademarked them as PL or Privacy Line tones. The actual name is CTCSS or Continuous Tone-Coded Squelch System. They don't prevent others from hearing you, they just allow for you only hearing radios with that particular tone being set. Not perfect by any means, but much better than open radios.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTCSS
 

K8MHZ

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georgestolz said:
The last Nextel phone I used had a function where it could directly operate without a cell tower in the boonies, radio to radio. Anybody use that? How well does it work?

You have to make sure that the phone you are trying to communicate with also has that feature which is called Direct Talk.

http://www.nextel.com/en/services/walkietalkie/offnetwork.shtml

Sprint and Nextel are now one and the same.
 

K8MHZ

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ultramegabob said:
they work about like any of the other choices, all the systems work on a maxium 2 watts of power

Yes and no. Nextel / Sprint use UHF 900 / 1900 MHz. Through normal atmosphere there is more path loss than with VHF resulting in a shorter range, but UHF has better penetration through solids such as steel and concrete. Most phones won't have 2 or 3 watts, they are more like 300 to 600 milliwatts.

Also be aware that the phones use the digital modes which are 'weak signal' narrow band modes and have a greater range over 'strong signal' or wide band modes such as analog FM. In an actual comparison on 2 meter VHF a narrow band digital radio (Icom D-Star) at 50 milliwatts had better range than the same radio running analog FM on 5 watts.
 

wawireguy

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I'd only get the ones that are shown on Motorolas web site. There are some Motorolas that are made by a different company but branded as them.
 
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When transmitting, keep the antenna as far from your head as possible.
 

ultramegabob

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Well, whaddya know....

Well, whaddya know....

76nemo said:
Certain tones, specific workmates.

I went and got my radios out of the truck to mess with them, got online and read the owners manual, I have had these radios a while and had no idea they had diffent call tones, cool.... do you have these radios too?
 

76nemo

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ultramegabob said:
I went and got my radios out of the truck to mess with them, got online and read the owners manual, I have had these radios a while and had no idea they had diffent call tones, cool.... do you have these radios too?


I have a stupid frickin' cell phone with different tones for different callers. I hate the d*mn thing, but if you are near a window, they can suffice, but I want something other than that. I feel like a high school ding-a-ling having to use it in that matter. The only thing I want a cell phone for is landing new jobs, not to yell,... "Move along", or "Pull".:rolleyes:
 

HighWirey

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K8MHZ said:
Yes and no. Nextel / Sprint use UHF 900 / 1900 MHz. Through normal atmosphere there is more path loss than with VHF resulting in a shorter range, but UHF has better penetration through solids such as steel and concrete. Most phones won't have 2 or 3 watts, they are more like 300 to 600 milliwatts.
Also be aware that the phones use the digital modes which are 'weak signal' narrow band modes and have a greater range over 'strong signal' or wide band modes such as analog FM. In an actual comparison on 2 meter VHF a narrow band digital radio (Icom D-Star) at 50 milliwatts had better range than the same radio running analog FM on 5 watts.

Do not argue with a 'ham' radio operator. He probably knows about this stuff . . .

8 years ago, I used the Motorola Spirit M Series, UHF type. Spendy on the procurement end, and spendy on the maintenance end, but they did 'penetrate' the hard ass concrete and steel buildings I needed to penetrate, and did a mile outside.

Some members here seem to believe that radios are expendible. If your ruling fist has enough iron in it, those radios last a while.

Best Wishes Everyone
 

iwire

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HighWirey said:
If your ruling fist has enough iron in it, those radios last a while.

:grin:

Sorry I just find that funny, electrical construction is a harsh environment, radios, even the best ones, are fragile.

If a radio falls off a guys belt while hard at work I can't see me coming down on him unless it is happening a lot.
 
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